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#21 of 27 FoxyMulder

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Posted August 24 2013 - 07:52 AM

I don't know if this PC magazine article has any hard data, perhaps just subjective analysis, but the reviewer shares my opinion, for whatever it's worth.

 

http://www.pcmag.com...,2387377,00.asp

 

Not convinced by the reviewers, are they measuring correctly, some LED backlit televisions switch off their LED's when displaying a black image and calibration screens, good reviews take this into account and re-measure to get the real figure, also LCD televisions, no matter the price, do still suffer from inferior motion, without any of the motion enhancement features switched on i bet you get between 300 and 400 lines of motion resolution, a 2013 plasma from Samsung and Panasonic gives you the full 1080 lines, let's talk off axis viewing, once again plasma is superior, dirty screen effect, once again plasma wins.

 

Being thin and energy efficient is not as important to me as overall image quality, that Sharp Elite is probably a great LCD set but look at it's cost, i could buy a very good projector and an excellent plasma for the same cost as one Sharp Elite television of the same size and i'll get a better image too.

 

Here's a good review site which explains what i mean with LED's switching off and those figures at the other site, different television but same principle, you also get a good explanation of the motion technologies which often cause the soap opera effect on LCD TV's.

 

http://www.hdtvtest....age=Performance


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#22 of 27 Dan Driscoll

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Posted August 24 2013 - 09:40 AM

Several things that reviewer thought were significant advantages really aren't, Whether a TV is 0.5"  or 1.5" thick is meaningless to me. Same thing with weight and power consumption; unless it has an impact on installation, I don't care. Those may be purchase issues for some people, but they have nothing to do with picture quality.

 

The black level achieved by the Sammy is impressive, but as FM noted, it was probably with the back-lighting completely off, which is not how you're going to be watching it in real life or how most independent labs do their testing, IIRC. The one real advantage of LCD that I do agree with is brightness. LCD absolutely does have an advantage there and I do recommend LCDs to people who have bright rooms and limited light control.

 

But there is one area where LCD is indisputably inferior and the review you referenced didn't even mention it: Motion Artifacts. Put any LCD, and I do mean ANY, next to almost any plasma of the same size and show live sports. The difference is so blatantly obvious that no measurements are needed. LCDs, regardless of the signal processing used to counteract it, will show clear and obvious motion artifacts that cannot be seen on plasmas displaying the exact same content.

 

I'm not saying there are no motion artifacts in plasma, there are; but the difference is several orders of magnitude and TTBOMK, is less than any other current display technology. That alone makes plasma the superior technology, IMO.


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Posted August 26 2013 - 08:44 AM

No Im pretty sure DLP is the best at motion Dan,  but plasma is second.


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#24 of 27 FoxyMulder

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Posted August 26 2013 - 11:59 AM

No Im pretty sure DLP is the best at motion Dan,  but plasma is second.

 

It certainly is the best with projection setups, we don't get DLP television sets in the UK.


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#25 of 27 Gregg Loewen

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Posted August 27 2013 - 05:16 AM

Generally, I am quite happy with the LCD / LED sets that I own. (6 at present).


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Posted August 27 2013 - 05:43 AM

I understand the arguments listed above, but I see absolutely no motion artifacts on my LED Sammy.  I watched the 49'ers/Vikings game on Sunday night and made a special effort to notice any motion artifacts, flickering, etc and saw none.  The picture was sharp, clear, smooth, no blurring, etc.  Looked great to my eye. FWIW.


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#27 of 27 Dan Driscoll

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Posted August 27 2013 - 08:28 AM

DLP gives me a headache, so I have to admit that I've never been able to personally evaluate them.


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