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#41 of 54 willyTass

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Posted July 22 2013 - 08:56 PM

yes , its subtle

 



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Posted July 22 2013 - 10:52 PM

We're not talking about Superman 3, are we?  We're talking about Love Is a Many-Splendored Thing and there is not one iota of what you call teal push to it.  Blues are stunningly BLUE - the sky, the sea, the suits, whatever.  I have no idea if what you've posted above is accurate or not and it is completely irrelevant to this discussion.  But you know what - I don't see teal on the right half of that image, I see turquoise.  And in motion the difference IS subtle AND you are making an assumption that the DVD was correct in the first place.  If you look at your split screen at exactly :50 you will see that the image you think has the "teal" push has, in fact, a cape and an "S" that is actually RED and not orange.  How do you explain THAT?



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Posted July 22 2013 - 11:38 PM

excuse my ignorance as i lack the technical prowess of others here

 

its just that on my copies of 

Remastered The terminator 

The great Escape

Wild river  (all Fox) 

 

what im seeing on my ISF calibrated Kuro (the Teal tint) mimics exactly the teal tint on Bd.com screencaps. And the teal push didnt exist on the DVD versions

 

I didnt want to waste another 30 bucks to get another Teal Ray release, hence i asked you if your disc's colour scheme matched the screencaps 

 

 

To answer your question, the colour on the screencaps looks exactly the same as those on my LED TV screen when playing the Blu-ray. I have no idea if the colours exactly match those of the original prints but the disc looks fine to me. Comparing the Blu-ray to the Fox DVD, the colours on the DVD seem to me to be very similar but more muted; less vibrant. 



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Posted July 23 2013 - 12:20 AM

thanks Doug



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Posted July 23 2013 - 02:18 AM

Here I stuck a strip of teal on the LIaMST cap:

 

http://i.imgur.com/hWF0cK9.jpg

 

Notice how the strip of teal is teal and nothing else is? It's because everything else is blue...


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#46 of 54 Robert Harris

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Posted July 23 2013 - 06:15 AM

excuse my ignorance as i lack the technical prowess of others here

 

its just that on my copies of 

Remastered The terminator 

The great Escape

Wild river  (all Fox) 

 

what im seeing on my ISF calibrated Kuro (the Teal tint) mimics exactly the teal tint on Bd.com screencaps. And the teal push didnt exist on the DVD versions

 

I didnt want to waste another 30 bucks to get another Teal Ray release, hence i asked you if your disc's colour scheme matched the screencaps 

 

There are many threads on many forums of people complaining of a teal tint to catalogue titles > They suggest this teal  push never existed until recently 

 

And ive just noted another recent Fox release , "bus stop" with Marilyn Monroe  on the Beaver has this Teal push 

 

But its not on Hello Dolly , The Sound of music , The robe . So Ill assume its not an error and thats the way films of this era/emulsion looked .

 

You might be best to avoid any color films shot between late 1955 through 1960.  No problems if you follow that rule.

 

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Posted July 23 2013 - 09:30 AM

Here I stuck a strip of teal on the LIaMST cap:

 

http://i.imgur.com/hWF0cK9.jpg

 

Notice how the strip of teal is teal and nothing else is? It's because everything else is blue...

Perfect.  I wonder if Mr. Tass will look at it and respond because what response can one make other than, oops.  Blue is blue, teal is teal, turquoise is turquoise.  Color films of this era have blue and Splendored Thing has plenty of it and it is glorious and, as I said in the other Splendored Thing thread, a poster child for what color films of this era look like.



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Posted August 03 2013 - 02:17 PM

Perfect.  I wonder if Mr. Tass will look at it and respond because what response can one make other than, oops.  Blue is blue, teal is teal, turquoise is turquoise.  Color films of this era have blue and Splendored Thing has plenty of it and it is glorious and, as I said in the other Splendored Thing thread, a poster child for what color films of this era look like.

 

 

You might be best to avoid any color films shot between late 1955 through 1960.  No problems if you follow that rule.

 

RAH

To add to your statements, condition of the original elements may have something to do with a blue push, in addition to an incorrectly calibrated or lower-end display. Oh, and considering the stigma against teal on this forum, some people may just be interpreting an accurate teal presence as incorrect color timing. However, I do not have the disc and I do not have Mr. Tass's eyes so I can't vouch for exactly what he might be seeing.


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Posted August 03 2013 - 06:16 PM

I think the 'teal and orange' phenomenon Mr. Tass refers to is real enough though. Since the advent of digital post, many movies do seem to have this curiously constrained colour bias, often annoying in the extremes DP's sometimes go to dial it in these days.

 

What's easily forgotten though is that the root of this particular 'look' is just basic colour theory; it didn't originate with the digital toolsets of  modern movie production. The difference was, back then, Cinematographers and Art Directors had to work that palette into the sets, the costumes, the lighting, even tweaking the lab processing.

 

Personally, I didn't see any kind of bias to Love Is a Many-Splendored Thing, just top notch movie craftsmanship with an attention to detail in every corner of the frame. Definitely, a 'nothing left to chance' canvas...typical for Shamroy shoots. 



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Posted August 03 2013 - 10:11 PM

I think the 'teal and orange' phenomenon Mr. Tass refers to is real enough though. Since the advent of digital post, many movies do seem to have this curiously constrained colour bias, often annoying in the extremes DP's sometimes go to dial it in these days.
 
What's easily forgotten though is that the root of this particular 'look' is just basic colour theory; it didn't originate with the digital toolsets of  modern movie production. The difference was, back then, Cinematographers and Art Directors had to work that palette into the sets, the costumes, the lighting, even tweaking the lab processing.


Actually, you're quite correct. It was the basic color palette of two-color Technicolor,

It was replicated quite well on sequences of The Aviator.

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Posted August 04 2013 - 10:30 AM

Great example RAH. Like maybe this?

 

the_aviator_movie_71389-1600x1200.jpg

 

Subdued, but the 2-strip Technicolor 'vibe' is certainly there...only with better blacks.



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Posted August 04 2013 - 12:48 PM

Great example RAH. Like maybe this?

 

the_aviator_movie_71389-1600x1200.jpg

 

Subdued, but the 2-strip Technicolor 'vibe' is certainly there...only with better blacks.

 

Two-COLOR.  Never was two-strip.  It was an over / under process with two frames exposed at once, on a single roll of stock.

 

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Posted August 04 2013 - 01:14 PM

Two-COLOR.  Never was two-strip.  It was an over / under process with two frames exposed at once, on a single roll of stock.

 

RAH

 

Okay, then I'll just have to file that under 'old dogs learning new tricks'. Sorry, I never knew that... ;)



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Posted August 04 2013 - 02:38 PM

Okay, then I'll just have to file that under 'old dogs learning new tricks'. Sorry, I never knew that... ;)

 

Can't imagine why any normal person might.

 

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