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#21 of 190 OFFLINE   Richard--W

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Posted July 15 2013 - 10:01 AM

I'm not convinced by the "MI6" report, which by the way should be in a quote.

 

Cubby Broccoli and Harry Saltzman are dead and much of their rulings died with them. Times change. A book adaptation is not impossible. Paying an author royalties is not the only kind of deal. Some authors prefer an outright purchase, others prefer other deals. I'm open to the possibility that the rumor is true.



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Posted July 16 2013 - 07:22 AM

I'm not convinced by the "MI6" report, which by the way should be in a quote.

 

Cubby Broccoli and Harry Saltzman are dead and much of their rulings died with them. Times change. A book adaptation is not impossible. Paying an author royalties is not the only kind of deal. Some authors prefer an outright purchase, others prefer other deals. I'm open to the possibility that the rumor is true.

 

You might be right.

 

I don't believe the film will be using the Devil May Care storyline however.

 

I saw this article this morning as well..

 

http://www.thebookbo...d-on-devil.html



#23 of 190 OFFLINE   Sam Favate

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Posted July 17 2013 - 05:12 AM

Devil May Care (which was a pretty good book; I enjoyed it much more than Carte Blanche, which was a struggle to read) takes place in the 60s. The time period is integral to the story, so I doubt Eon would be adapting it. But more power to them if they do. I always thought several of the John Gardner novels would make excellent films.



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Posted July 17 2013 - 08:15 AM

Devil May Care (which was a pretty good book; I enjoyed it much more than Carte Blanche, which was a struggle to read) takes place in the 60s. The time period is integral to the story, so I doubt Eon would be adapting it. But more power to them if they do. I always thought several of the John Gardner novels would make excellent films.

 

Agreed. I liked the book too. 

 

Sounds like the rumors about it being used have been shot down. 



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Posted July 20 2013 - 07:52 PM

Devil May Care does appear to have been shot down. The book isn't brilliant or anything, but I prefer its good nature and positive spirit to the miserable movies EON has been making. There's no doubt in my mind, given the producer's orientation and the talent involved, that the debasement and deconstruction of James Bond will continue in Bond 24.



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Posted July 23 2013 - 12:22 PM

My objection to Logan is that the Bond scripts should be written by someone who can uplift the spirit of the films, instead of delivering another bummer.

 

It's not just Logan or Bond - it seems that every hero these days must be miserable and tormented by psychological demons. 

 

Characters like Bond or Superman used to exist at least partly as wish-fulfillment fantasies - but who in their right mind would want to be Craig's Bond or Henry Cavill's Superman?


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Posted June 27 2014 - 05:22 AM

The return of Purvis and Wade...

 

http://www.mi6-hq.co...?t=&s=&id=03702



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Posted June 27 2014 - 08:04 AM

The return of Purvis and Wade...

 

http://www.mi6-hq.co...?t=&s=&id=03702

 

That news isn't going to make someone here very happy.


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Posted June 27 2014 - 12:54 PM

Doesn't bode well for those of us who haven't liked the writing in the last 15 years or so.



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Posted June 27 2014 - 04:15 PM

The return of Purvis and Wade...

 

http://www.mi6-hq.co...?t=&s=&id=03702

 

Ugh... do the Bond producers not realize that we've enjoyed these films in spite of the terrible scripting and plotting from those two?  World Is Not Enough and Die Another Day are pretty close to being terrible.  Casino Royale was a great movie, but so much of that is a) Fleming's source material and b) Paul Haggis' rewrite.  Quantum Of Solace and Skyfall both have some pretty terrible plotting in them as well.  (OK, nothing as bad as the invisible car, but still...)

 

I was so excited when it was announced last year that those two were done with Bond.  What the %$&! happened?



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Posted June 27 2014 - 05:18 PM

I was so excited when it was announced last year that those two were done with Bond.  What the %$&! happened?

 

$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

 

Ugh... do the Bond producers not realize that we've enjoyed these films in spite of the terrible scripting and plotting from those two?  World Is Not Enough and Die Another Day are pretty close to being terrible.  Casino Royale was a great movie, but so much of that is a) Fleming's source material and b) Paul Haggis' rewrite.  Quantum Of Solace and Skyfall both have some pretty terrible plotting in them as well.  (OK, nothing as bad as the invisible car, but still..

 

I don't get why everyone always brings up the invisible car when criticizing DaD. That tech is actually getting closer to fruition. There was lots worse in that film than a car that couldn't be seen. Surfing what looked like tsunami, anyone?


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Posted June 27 2014 - 06:51 PM

I don't get why everyone always brings up the invisible car when criticizing DaD. That tech is actually getting closer to fruition. There was lots worse in that film than a car that couldn't be seen. Surfing what looked like tsunami, anyone?

 

That was just the first sin that came to mind, but yeah, the surfing was pretty horrific.  Maybe not as bad as Halle Berry's acting, but close..


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Posted June 27 2014 - 07:47 PM

If this one doesn't start with the traditional gun barrel opening, I'm staying home. Even if the USA premiere is on my birthday!


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Posted June 28 2014 - 04:24 AM

I was so excited when it was announced last year that those two were done with Bond.  What the %$&! happened?

 

Perhaps the producers realized that Mr Logan isn't all he's cracked up to be either. I haven't really cared for any John Logan script in any movie I've seen.

 

Dammit, Tom Mankiewicz isn't still around, is he?



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Posted June 28 2014 - 04:44 AM

Perhaps the producers realized that Mr Logan isn't all he's cracked up to be either. I haven't really cared for any John Logan script in any movie I've seen.

 

Dammit, Tom Mankiewicz isn't still around, is he?

 

Tom was the best!

 

Pretty good article about the Bond writers...

 

http://hmssweblog.wo...-movie-is-hard/



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Posted November 23 2014 - 10:36 AM

I am very excited for the start of the new film I. Just a few weeks. The casting news has been very interesting too! I believe December 6th is the start of filming and a press conference will probably occur around that time as well.

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Posted November 23 2014 - 02:17 PM

Perhaps the producers realized that Mr Logan isn't all he's cracked up to be either. I haven't really cared for any John Logan script in any movie I've seen.

 

I don't care if he's written for Scorsese.  I don't care if he's written for Ridley Scott.

I first noticed John Logan's name on the '02 Time Machine remake, and then again on Star Trek: Nemesis, and when the audience notices the screenwriter's name, there's usually only ONE reason.  And it's not because Oscar nominations.

 

(And I was only passable on Skyfall also, which I thought would have worked better as a series finale, if not that they finally improved M, Q and Moneypenny--

Leaving aside the whole "sewer" thing, Javier Bardem beat the wispy-lispy villain trope so far into the ground, he bore a distracting resemblance to Al Franken's SNL Stuart Smalley as a Bond villain:
"You left me behind on that mission, M, but you know what?...That's okay.  Because I realized, 'I like myself, darnit!'")  :)



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Posted November 23 2014 - 06:19 PM

I don't care if he's written for Scorsese.  I don't care if he's written for Ridley Scott.

I first noticed John Logan's name on the '02 Time Machine remake, and then again on Star Trek: Nemesis, and when the audience notices the screenwriter's name, there's usually only ONE reason.  And it's not because Oscar nominations.

 

(And I was only passable on Skyfall also, which I thought would have worked better as a series finale, if not that they finally improved M, Q and Moneypenny--

Leaving aside the whole "sewer" thing, Javier Bardem beat the wispy-lispy villain trope so far into the ground, he bore a distracting resemblance to Al Franken's SNL Stuart Smalley as a Bond villain:
"You left me behind on that mission, M, but you know what?...That's okay.  Because I realized, 'I like myself, darnit!'")  :)

 

There was an interesting discussion about film writers and how they work with the directors on films on one of the James Bond Radio podcasts. Essentially a lot of things that Purvis and Wade are blamed for in terms of the scripts tended to be things that they did not write, rather other writers or the director of the film.

It gave me a new perspective on how films are made and the politics of decisions made. I wish I could recall which podcast it was and which interview they were referencing as well. It would be good to read it.

 

That all being said I thought Nemesis was dreadful. Not sure how much of it was Logan's writing or again the director's decisions and influence.



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Posted November 24 2014 - 06:16 AM

The latest rumor is that Christoph Waltz is in the new movie as 

Spoiler

 

Make of that what you will.



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Posted November 24 2014 - 06:26 AM

Tom was the best!

 

Pretty good article about the Bond writers...

 

http://hmssweblog.wo...-movie-is-hard/

Mankiewicz is dead. 






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