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Poll: How would you want Criterion to handle MAD WORLD? (181 member(s) have cast votes)

How Would you want Criterion to handle MAD WORLD?

  1. I would like to see *everything* that was included on the Laserdisc release even if it does not match in quality (119 votes [65.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 65.75%

  2. The film is too long already. Would only want to see those scenes intended for the original RoadShow release (53 votes [29.28%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.28%

  3. All I want is the overture and exit music. Don't need all those extra scenes added (9 votes [4.97%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.97%

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#761 of 1466 OFFLINE   Robert Harris

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Posted August 19 2013 - 12:37 AM

I don't remember Lawrence of Arabia (216 min.) being cut during its roadshow run. Neither was Exodus (208 min.), also from United Artists and much longer than Mad World.

The Ten Commandments was 220 minutes and Paramount never cut it to "squeeze in more shows," and that didn't stop it from becoming the highest-grossing movie of the entire decade. Ditto for the 212 minute second-highest-grossing movie of the decade, Ben-Hur.

The ones that were famously cut shortly after beginning their roadshow engagements, besides MW, were Cleopatra and 2001: A Space Odyssey. It wasn't as common as you think for these things to be cut. Some were cut for "popular price" general release, such as The Greatest Story Ever Told (that one needed at least three hours cut out, in my opinion), and Star! (which was even given a different title), but that's another story.

2001 was not cut for time. The trims were mostly fat, and for redundancy. A cut had to be delivered for opening. Same situation with Zhivago, which was re-cut over a 12 week period. IMHO, Lawrence may have been cut twice. At least that's as I recall the facts. But I have grown old. And long for the hanging gardens...

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#762 of 1466 OFFLINE   mercyflight

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Posted August 19 2013 - 04:48 AM

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When asked about the film recently, David Picker told a friend of mine that UA thought there were sections of the film that were "deadly" and said to Kramer "If you don't cut this down, we will"
So who knows? Perhaps no one here has a definitive answer, because there are legitimate contradictions in stories.
Is this the Robert Evans theory (from ""The Kid Stays in the Picture") ? "There's your side, and my side, and the truth. And no one is lying."


Edited by mercyflight, August 19 2013 - 04:58 AM.

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#763 of 1466 OFFLINE   Paul Rossen

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Posted August 19 2013 - 06:03 AM

I don't remember Lawrence of Arabia (216 min.) being cut during its roadshow run.  Neither was Exodus (208 min.), also from United Artists and much longer than Mad World.

 

The Ten Commandments was 220 minutes and Paramount never cut it to "squeeze in more shows," and that didn't stop it from becoming the highest-grossing movie of the entire decade.  Ditto for the 212 minute second-highest-grossing movie of the decade, Ben-Hur.

 

The ones that were famously cut shortly after beginning their roadshow engagements, besides MW, were Cleopatra and 2001: A Space Odyssey.  It wasn't as common as you think for these things to be cut.  Some were cut for "popular price" general release, such as The Greatest Story Ever Told (that one needed at least three hours cut out, in my opinion), and Star! (which was even given a different title), but that's another story.

Lawrence of Arabia was cut early in it's Roadshow run.  The Greatest Story Ever Told was also cut early in it's Roadshow run.  The Sand Pebbles was cut early in its Roadshow run-the dvd has both versions. Ben-Hur was not cut until subsequent reruns. Of course Cleopatra was also cut early in its Roadshow run.  The current dvd/blu rays of Cleopatra have the originally shown version. It's possible the Fall of the Roman Empire was cut during it's Roadshow run but I'm not sure. It might have been cut after it's initial engagements. The Alamo is another example. There may be others but that's all i can think of at the moment.


Edited by Paul Rossen, August 19 2013 - 06:08 AM.


#764 of 1466 OFFLINE   RolandL

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Posted August 19 2013 - 06:16 AM

Lawrence of Arabia was cut early in it's Roadshow run.  The Greatest Story Ever Told was also cut early in it's Roadshow run.  The Sand Pebbles was cut early in its Roadshow run-the dvd has both versions. Ben-Hur was not cut until subsequent reruns. Of course Cleopatra was also cut early in its Roadshow run.  The current dvd/blu rays of Cleopatra have the originally shown version. It's possible the Fall of the Roman Empire was cut during it's Roadshow run but I'm not sure. It might have been cut after it's initial engagements. The Alamo is another example. There may be others but that's all i can think of at the moment.

 

The Greatest Story Ever Told premiered on 2/15 as 221 minutes plus intermission. On 4/15 UA announced they reduced it to 194 minutes plus intermission.


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#765 of 1466 OFFLINE   Paul Rossen

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Posted August 19 2013 - 06:22 AM

The Greatest Story Ever Told premiered on 2/15 as 221 minutes plus intermission. On 4/15 UA announced they reduced it to 194 minutes plus intermission.

That seems correct.  I recall ads stating the new ending times for the Warner Cinerama.  I'm one of the few who saw the original version but all I recall is how long and slow moving it was.  Of course I'd like to see the full version again but it appears that will not be possible...



#766 of 1466 OFFLINE   rich_d

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Posted August 19 2013 - 06:26 AM

When asked about the film recently, David Picker told a friend of mine that UA thought there were sections of the film that were "deadly" and said to Kramer "If you don't cut this down, we will"
So who knows? Perhaps no one here has a definitive answer, because there are legitimate contradictions in stories.
Is this the Robert Evans theory (from ""The Kid Stays in the Picture") ? "There's your side, and my side, and the truth. And no one is lying."

 

Well said, indeed.  While not a great book about Hollywood, Linda Obst's book: Hello, He Lied sort of sums things up.  Heck, does someone even tell themselves the truth, let alone others?  In a more positive light, Akira Kurosawa thought that his gift as a filmmaker was telling tales, to the point that he even questioned whether he was capable of telling the truth.    

 

I've no dog in this fight ... but my observation is similar.  Who really knows what the capital "T" truth in this and why does it even really matter?  If Kramer made cuts because cuts were suggested by the studio, does that make them bad?  Is a filmmaker (without Final Cut authority) necessarily more noble for controlling some "vision" than one who works collaboratively with others?


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#767 of 1466 OFFLINE   Paul Rossen

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Posted August 19 2013 - 08:19 AM

I don't remember Lawrence of Arabia (216 min.) being cut during its roadshow run.  Neither was Exodus (208 min.), also from United Artists and much longer than Mad World.

 

The Ten Commandments was 220 minutes and Paramount never cut it to "squeeze in more shows," and that didn't stop it from becoming the highest-grossing movie of the entire decade.  Ditto for the 212 minute second-highest-grossing movie of the decade, Ben-Hur.

 

The ones that were famously cut shortly after beginning their roadshow engagements, besides MW, were Cleopatra and 2001: A Space Odyssey.  It wasn't as common as you think for these things to be cut.  Some were cut for "popular price" general release, such as The Greatest Story Ever Told (that one needed at least three hours cut out, in my opinion), and Star! (which was even given a different title), but that's another story.

Both Hawaii and Diary of Anne Frank were cut but I'm not sure if the cuts were made during or after their Roadshow engagements.

And then there is the Heaven's Gate fiasco of the film simply being pulled after a one week Roadshow engagement in NYC and subsequently released in a shortened version


Edited by Paul Rossen, August 19 2013 - 08:33 AM.


#768 of 1466 OFFLINE   Reed Grele

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Posted August 19 2013 - 08:25 AM

This link may have been posted in another thread, but if you haven't had a chance to watch it yet, this is an interesting interview with Jonathan Winters from 2002.

 

http://www.emmytvleg...nathan-winters#

 

Starting at around the 2 - 3 minute mark of part 4 he starts to discuss IAMMMMW.

 

(Click on the blue "INTERVIEW" tab, and scroll down to "PART 4".)


Edited by Reed Grele, August 19 2013 - 08:27 AM.


#769 of 1466 OFFLINE   Rob_Ray

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Posted August 19 2013 - 08:30 AM

Most films such as Greatest Story Ever Told and IAMMMMW that were cut during the two-a-day roadshow run, were not cut for purposes of time, but rather to pick up the pace, to fine-tune a rushed job done to meet a premiere date, or in the case of Star!, in a desperate attempt to salvage a film that is bombing at the box-office.  South Pacific was another film that was re-cut during the roadshow run, to tighten up a film seen as dragging its feet.  It's only when a film hits general release with continuous performances that time, in and of itself, becomes an issue.  That's when lots of titles like Camelot lost footage.


Edited by Rob_Ray, August 19 2013 - 08:33 AM.


#770 of 1466 OFFLINE   Paul Rossen

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Posted August 19 2013 - 08:35 AM

Most films such as Greatest Story Ever Told and IAMMMMW that were cut during the two-a-day roadshow run, were not cut for purposes of time, but rather to pick up the pace, to fine-tune a rushed job done to meet a premiere date, or in the case of Star!, in a desperate attempt to salvage a film that is bombing at the box-office.  South Pacific was another film that was re-cut during the roadshow run, to tighten up a film seen as dragging its feet.  It's only when a film hits general release with continuous performances that time, in and of itself, becomes an issue.  That's when lots of titles like Camelot lost footage.

I had forgotten South Pacific.  The Fox dvd has both versions and the cut version isn't bad at all.  To me Camelot is a mess of a movie...regardless of length.



#771 of 1466 OFFLINE   rich_d

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Posted August 19 2013 - 09:34 AM

This link may have been posted in another thread, but if you haven't had a chance to watch it yet, this is an interesting interview with Jonathan Winters from 2002.

 

http://www.emmytvleg...nathan-winters#

 

Starting at around the 2 - 3 minute mark of part 4 he starts to discuss IAMMMMW.

 

(Click on the blue "INTERVIEW" tab, and scroll down to "PART 4".)

 

Thanks for that.  Also, nothing to do with Mad, mad ... but 24 minutes on Johnny Carson is pretty brutal, yet funny stuff. 


Edited by rich_d, August 19 2013 - 09:34 AM.


#772 of 1466 OFFLINE   Charles Smith

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Posted August 19 2013 - 11:29 AM

What a beautiful interview.  I could listen to him talk for hours.  



#773 of 1466 OFFLINE   Douglas R

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Posted August 19 2013 - 12:04 PM

The Greatest Story Ever Told premiered on 2/15 as 221 minutes plus intermission. On 4/15 UA announced they reduced it to 194 minutes plus intermission.

 

 

"The Greatest Story Ever Told" opened at the London Casino Cinerama on Friday April 9 and I saw the film next day on the Saturday evening. Since then, I've never been sure whether that was the 221 or 194 minute version. When I went to book tickets two weeks earlier I saw the 70mm cans of film arriving in the theatre. Was it cut that early? 



#774 of 1466 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted August 19 2013 - 12:06 PM

What a beautiful interview.  I could listen to him talk for hours.  

 

Jonathan Winters is incredible.

 

I never appreciated him until over recent years when I was 

able to really look back on his various characters, the material

that he did, and the intelligence (and often insanity) that the

man possessed.


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#775 of 1466 OFFLINE   Steve Tannehill

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Posted August 19 2013 - 12:11 PM

I was offline since Thursday and this was the first place I went online. I am disappointed that there was no news, but I trust that it will be worth the wait.

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Posted August 19 2013 - 01:57 PM

Both Hawaii and Diary of Anne Frank were cut but I'm not sure if the cuts were made during or after their Roadshow engagements.

And then there is the Heaven's Gate fiasco of the film simply being pulled after a one week Roadshow engagement in NYC and subsequently released in a shortened version

 

"The Diary of Anne Frank," yes -- and it gets my vote as the worst studio meddling in history.  Business wasn't as good as the great reviews would warrant, so 20th Century-Fox cut the ending -- one of the saddest, most powerful endings I've ever seen -- to give the movie a HAPPY ENDING!  A hopeful, uplifting ending to the story of one of the biggest human tragedies in history.

 

The DVD has restored the original ending forever and I hope no one ever has to see that horrible "studio" version again.



#777 of 1466 OFFLINE   Paul Rossen

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Posted August 19 2013 - 02:19 PM

"The Diary of Anne Frank," yes -- and it gets my vote as the worst studio meddling in history.  Business wasn't as good as the great reviews would warrant, so 20th Century-Fox cut the ending -- one of the saddest, most powerful endings I've ever seen -- to give the movie a HAPPY ENDING!  A hopeful, uplifting ending to the story of one of the biggest human tragedies in history.

 

The DVD has restored the original ending forever and I hope no one ever has to see that horrible "studio" version again.

Since I haven't seen Diary of Anne Frank in many years I believe it was both the beginning and ending that was cut.  Basically the story bookends were cut.  The current dvd and Blu ray do include all deleted scenes but do not include the intermission as well as the entr'acte music.  A mistake IMO. 


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Posted August 19 2013 - 05:12 PM

Magnificent Ambersons....oy...


 

 


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Posted August 20 2013 - 12:23 AM

Just for info i am going to see tomorrow Ice Station Zebra in NFT 3 at the BFI Southbank it is showing in 35mm Mono with

Finnish Subtitles, they could not source a 70mm print.



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