Ceton Introduces 6-Tuner PCIe & Ethernet Editions (1 Viewer)

mattCR · May 13, 2013

Ceton Expands it's lineup with a 6-Tuner Ethernet and PCI-E rendition of it's popular cards.

http://cetoncorp.com/products/infinitv-6-ethernet/

InfiniTV 6 ETH
InfiniTV 6 ETH is the world's most advanced network tuner for cable TV on the PC and a must-have accessory for Windows Media Center. It connects to your home network and lets you watch and record up to six live channels of HDTV on PCs throughout your home! Don't settle for only being able to record two or three shows at once. Restore family harmony and never argue again over whose show should be recorded! InfiniTV 6 ETH works with Windows Media Center to turn virtually any style of PC into the ultimate cable box and DVR! It supports all cable TV channels, including premium channels like HBO®, Showtime® and Starz®. When your PC is paired with a Ceton Echo media center extender or Xbox® 360, you can also watch TV and DVR on any TV set. Replace all your cable boxes and DVRs -- and get rid of those expensive monthly fees -- and enjoy your favorite shows in any room, all from a single cable connection and using a single CableCARD™. With a Ceton InfiniTV your PC becomes that nirvana entertainment box you've always wanted. Have all your media -- TV, DVR, music, photos, videos and Internet media services -- available from one awesome device.

Supports full Multi-Cast so it may be operated from more than 1 media center at once for Live TV

The new InfiniTV6 internal PCI-E card supplies 6 DVR tuners on one device.
http://cetoncorp.com/products/infinitv-6-pcie/

Both retail for $299.

As of today, the InfiniTV4 has officially dropped in price to $199 at Ceton, along with the USB device.

For more details, check out:
http://www.cetoncorp.com/

Sam Posten · May 13, 2013

This launched literally minutes after I ordered the old one, how bizarre. Have ordered the ETH and will send the 4 channel one back.

mattCR · May 13, 2013

Sam Posten said:
This launched literally minutes after I ordered the old one, how bizarre. Have ordered the ETH and will send the 4 channel one back.

I almost PM'd you but embargo was still on, I was hoping I'd catch you in time, sorry about that. The 6 ETH is a GREAT device. I should have a review up probably tomorrow night. I've been very impressed and it's performance is very good. I ended up ditching my Ceton4 internal to just have it which covers everything for me.

It's great stuff, Sam, you'll be pleased.

DaveF · May 13, 2013

Looking forward to reading your review.

Sam Posten · May 14, 2013

Me too. Mine will be here tomorrow and hopefully my FIOS cable card will be too. I actually have the perfect spot to put it I think, in my guest room I have one of my AirPort Extremes hooked into the Ethernet jack and there is an open coax port in that room, since there is no TV in there (sorry guests!). I figure I can put it there and not have to run splitters off the other rooms and all 3 xboxes in the house can get to it via that as can my new Area 51 which is my defacto HTPC. If the Xboxes work well as Media Center extenders I could actually pull 2 actual cable boxes from the house and this new capabilty would have paid for itself in less than a year PLUS given me a few more access points.

BUT my big concern is how much bandwidth this is going to eat up over wifi. Does it even work over wifi or do you have to have hard lines between it and the router?

Sam Posten · May 14, 2013

BTW Matt the link for your CETON guide in your signature 404s.

mattCR · May 14, 2013

Yeah, it links to the way the old site was, I need to fix that. Still wrapping up my review. It's mostly positive, though a few notes.. you pretty much MUST have wired gigabit networking, take that as a given.. and tuner pooling has mixed results; but otherwise, very positive. I'm trying to work a comparison to the HD Prime (I have the 3 Tuner Prime in my network as well) to kind of cover it.

Sam Posten · May 14, 2013

Well shit, that might not be the best for me then. Won't send the USB version back until I'm sure.

Thanks.

Sam Posten · May 14, 2013

Setup and walkthrough:

http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/13/ceton-infinitv-cablecard-tuners-add-six-tuner-ethernet-options/?a_dgi=aolshare_twitter

Looks like I can't use the on board USB like the old USB only version so I'm still holding onto the 4 tuner USB one in case that's the route I need.

mattCR · May 14, 2013

Sam Posten said:
Setup and walkthrough:

http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/13/ceton-infinitv-cablecard-tuners-add-six-tuner-ethernet-options/?a_dgi=aolshare_twitter

Looks like I can use the on board USB like the old USB only version so I should be good to go if that's the route I need.

No. The USB on it is just for SDV device. You cannot use it to connect to a PC.

Sam Posten · May 14, 2013

mattCR said:
No. The USB on it is just for SDV device. You cannot use it to connect to a PC.

Yeah I misunderstood at first and edited my post =(

mattCR · May 14, 2013

Tis OK. My review is posted: http://www.hometheaterforum.com/topic/323651-ceton-infinitv6-eth-network-cable-card-adapter-equipment-review/

Sam Posten · May 14, 2013

The Ceton comes with a gigabit ethernet port, and you will need it. While their page lists "at least a 100Mb wired network" this is really an understatement. If you plan on using all six tuners at once, you're going to use between 80%-90% of the entire bandwidth a 100mb network can provide. Add in more network tuners (for me 5 more) and you're way over the limit.

OK I can't see using more than 4 ever, usually no more than 1 at a time, 2 if I am watching something on one and have a recording going on via DVR in the background.My whole home Ethernet is only 100mb (I tried like hell to get them to put in a gigabit but they couldn't at the time) so even if I wanted to I'm not sure I could unless I did a dedicated gigabit in one room. Do you have recommendations on gig routers if I go that route?

mattCR · May 14, 2013

Most routers anymore have gigabit as a default. I really like the Amplify series, but Asus also makes several great and affordable Gigabit routers.

If you ran Cat5E, you can run gigabit.. While Cat6 gains you some benefits, Cat5E will handle Gigabit transfers.

Sam Posten · May 14, 2013

mattCR said:
Most routers anymore have gigabit as a default. I really like the Amplify series, but Asus also makes several great and affordable Gigabit routers.

I just spoke to my whole home installer, they tell me the kit is modular so I can change the router in the box without upsetting the rest of the LyriQ system. Will confirm tonight but I may be able to just swap this guy in:

http://www.amazon.com/-Q-Legrand-DA1008-8-Port-Gigabit/dp/B0032FO20O/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1368558962&sr=1-4&keywords=on-q+legrand

mattCR · May 14, 2013

Sam Posten said:
I just spoke to my whole home installer, they tell me the kit is modular so I can change the router in the box without upsetting the rest of the LyriQ system. Will confirm tonight but I may be able to just swap this guy in:

http://www.amazon.com/-Q-Legrand-DA1008-8-Port-Gigabit/dp/B0032FO20O/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1368558962&sr=1-4&keywords=on-q+legrand

I looked at stuff like OnQ when we did our new hometheater room, which isn't quite done yet.. I ended up going with two separate systems and so far I'm content.. but still a lot of work to go.

Sam Posten · May 14, 2013

Blah I just realized that's only a switch, not a router. So I'd have to put this component in:
http://www.legrand.us/onq/networking/wired-networks/routers-switches/da1054.aspx
http://www.amazon.com/On-Legrand-DA1054-Gigabit-Platinum/dp/B00AHZKN64/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1368559668&sr=8-1&keywords=on-q+da1054

And then put an 8 port gigabit switch in on top of it to get more than 4 ports.

If I connect a mix of 100mb devices onto that is it all gonna slow down to 100mb or are they smart enough to not do that these days like they used to?

mattCR · May 14, 2013

Sam-

That wouldn't matter. Your switch could be 10Mb, 100Mb, or whatever, but if your endpoints were all plugged into a gigabit switch, they talk amongst themselves as gigabit.

Sam Posten · May 14, 2013

That doesn't sound right. You are contradicting yourself? My understanding is that all endpoints these days will talk at their native speed OR the speed of their intermediary parts, whichever is slowest. But having a mixed network of endpoints will not cause a mid point to delay the faster of those endpoints. So fast router = gig endpoints talk at gig speeds and 100mb talk at 100mb just fine. But a 100mb router slows gig endpoints down to 100mb.

mattCR · May 14, 2013

Sam Posten said:
That doesn't sound right. You are contradicting yourself? My understanding is that all endpoints these days will talk at their native speed OR the speed of their intermediary parts, whichever is slowest. But having a mixed network of endpoints will not cause a mid point to delay the faster of those endpoints. So fast router = gig endpoints talk at gig speeds and 100mb talk at 100mb just fine. But a 100mb router slows gig endpoints down to 100mb.

No. That's not at all right.

A switch just slows down port by port the link. For example, I have a 24 port gigabit switch in my house. I have a network printer that is 10Mb, but my transfer speeds between myself and the server are gigabit (easily) as I have no problem sustaining 50Mb/s or higher transfer.

With wireless on my network, wireless can negotiate as low as 24Mbs/, but the rest of the network isn't slowed down to 24Mb/s. Each device negotiates it's own rate, if the switch supports it, the only factor is that both devices on both ends satisfy.
So, if I have a network where almost all computers have 100Mb network cards, but my server has gigabit and the workstation I'm on has gigabit.. the workstation I'm on still gets gigabit transfers from the server

If your router is 100Mb then any traffic going through it (to the net) will be limited by that factor; but if you go router to switch, then the only thing controlled by that is the DHCP call.

For example, in a large local network their entire network is gigabit, and their server is 10Gb. But their router, a Cisco 2600, is 100Mb. That doesn't mean the entire network runs at 100Mb

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