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#21 of 38 OFFLINE   Moe Dickstein

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Posted May 10 2013 - 04:35 PM

The Morning After is one I saw on TV by chance and got sucked into it. The DVD is somewhat rare, but I've got it on order to hear the Lumet and Fonda commentary. Also found an interesting article on the making of The Verdict, there's a bit of talk about the inspiration for the particular look of the film: http://www.donshewey...dney_lumet.html
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#22 of 38 OFFLINE   atcolomb

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Posted May 10 2013 - 06:57 PM

Like to see Newman's directed "Rachel, Rachel" (1968) come out on blu-ray...



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Posted May 11 2013 - 07:27 PM

My mistake. This is what happens when too much movie trivia crams the brain. I confused Gordon Willis with Andrzej Bartkowiak.

 

The statement about blue is correct, however. The director and dp bled blue out of the mix because they were after a certain color pallet that would realize a certain aesthetic. This was widely discussed by them at the time of the film's release. It's one of the things I find most interesting about The Verdict, aside from the fact that it's a remarkable film on every level, and written by my favorite contemporary playwright.

There's plenty of blue in the photography actually - Mr. Newman's eyes for one obvious example, plus the weather outside for another.  Where I would agree with you is that there's not much blue in clothing or set design.  But they didn't drain blue from the film's timing or it wouldn't have any - blue :)


Edited by haineshisway, May 11 2013 - 08:30 PM.


#24 of 38 OFFLINE   haineshisway

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Posted May 11 2013 - 07:28 PM

Sadly I must agree with Mr. Harris here.  A beautifully photographed film by one of the 1980s best cameramen.  Not here.


Edited by haineshisway, May 11 2013 - 10:16 PM.


#25 of 38 OFFLINE   Moe Dickstein

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Posted May 11 2013 - 10:39 PM

I think they did a lot with set dressing and lighting to get the effect, as referred to in the article i linked above.
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Posted May 12 2013 - 06:57 AM

Wow. It seems like Fox's newer catalog releases are a bit hit-and-miss. That Thing You Do was a disaster and now The Verdict? I guess they want to put more effort into their older classics, which I admire, but how much effort would it take to get The Verdict right?



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Posted May 12 2013 - 08:14 AM

This is such a bummer, since The Verdict is probably in my top ten. Watched it last night and it does look like little to no effort was made to clean it up. Could have been so much better with a new scan and dirt removal at least. Definitely from an older source. Watchable, barely. I'd agree with the 3 out of 5 given on this site, slanting towards lower. 

Someone in the marketing department must have thought this would sell ten copies. Their $13 pricing point must mean "here it is and don't complain, 'cuz we're selling it cheap." I would've paid $20 for a nicely minted source. 


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Posted May 12 2013 - 12:42 PM

Wow. It seems like Fox's newer catalog releases are a bit hit-and-miss. That Thing You Do was a disaster and now The Verdict? I guess they want to put more effort into their older classics, which I admire, but how much effort would it take to get The Verdict right?

That Thing You Do was absolutely not a disaster. You've obviously been reading the wrong reviews.

http://www.hometheat...blu-ray-review/


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Posted May 12 2013 - 12:53 PM

After reading this thread I decided to pick up the SD double disc edition for the extras that didn't make it over to the Blu and for quality which apparently at least matches the Blu.



#30 of 38 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted May 12 2013 - 01:04 PM

Just finished watching THE VERDICT for the very first time on Blu-ray.

 

Sensational film.  Can't believe I missed this stunning performance from

Paul Newman all these years.  And, what a treat to watch the great James

Mason in one of his final movie roles.

 

For me, not knowing perhaps how the film should look, I can't say that 

resolution wise, the overall transfer looked as bad as it's being made out to

be.  I did notice some softness issues.  However, I had no idea that I had

bought, THE VERDICT: THE SPECKLED  EDITION.   There is just an array

of speckling throughout the entire print.  You would think something like that

could have easily been cleaned up before releasing it to Blu-ray.

 

So, it's quite astonishing to see how much love was given to BRUBAKER and

how little was given to THE VERDICT.  You would think the effort should have

gone to the latter title.


 

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#31 of 38 ONLINE   Charles Smith

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Posted May 12 2013 - 03:51 PM

The Verdict is just completely great in every respect.  All this talk about it, and I'm going to have to watch it again.  Soon.

 

It's too bad, because Newman's Absence of Malice from the year before is also thrilling -- if not quite the same caliber, but I still tend to think of the two of them in one breath -- and that one got quite a nice Blu-ray.  And then there's The Color of Money a few years later.....  Where was the LUV when it came to the transfers of these other great Newman films?  What a shame.



#32 of 38 OFFLINE   Matt Hough

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Posted May 12 2013 - 06:02 PM

Yes, compared to The Color of Money's transfer, The Verdict looks stupendous.



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Posted May 13 2013 - 05:42 AM

Mr Epstein/Mr Hough, I´ve read on a website that there should be German audio on the disc?

Is it correct?

Thanks in advance.



#34 of 38 OFFLINE   Ray H

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Posted May 13 2013 - 06:26 AM

Adrian, the disc includes English, Spanish, French, German, and Italian audio tracks.


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#35 of 38 OFFLINE   Sam Favate

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Posted May 13 2013 - 06:53 AM

That Thing You Do was absolutely not a disaster. You've obviously been reading the wrong reviews.

http://www.hometheat...blu-ray-review/

 

Agreed. I thought the TTYD blu-ray looked good, and it was great to have the extended edition side-by-side with the theatrical.



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Posted May 13 2013 - 08:49 AM

Just finished watching THE VERDICT for the very first time on Blu-ray.

 

Sensational film.  Can't believe I missed this stunning performance from

Paul Newman all these years.  And, what a treat to watch the great James

Mason in one of his final movie roles.

 

For me, not knowing perhaps how the film should look, I can't say that 

resolution wise, the overall transfer looked as bad as it's being made out to

be.  I did notice some softness issues.  However, I had no idea that I had

bought, THE VERDICT: THE SPECKLED  EDITION.   There is just an array

of speckling throughout the entire print.  You would think something like that

could have easily been cleaned up before releasing it to Blu-ray.

 

So, it's quite astonishing to see how much love was given to BRUBAKER and

how little was given to THE VERDICT.  You would think the effort should have

gone to the latter title.

I would agree with Ron's assessment exactly.  There was a great deal of dirt and artifact speckling through many parts of the movie, but overall I was satisfied with the presentation and resolution.  It is certainly better than the existing DVD that I had. 


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Posted May 13 2013 - 01:16 PM

I would agree with Ron's assessment exactly.  There was a great deal of dirt and artifact speckling through many parts of the movie, but overall I was satisfied with the presentation and resolution.  It is certainly better than the existing DVD that I had. 

 

I strongly suspect it's the same transfer as the last DVD - I'd be shocked to find out they did anything with that transfer to "update it" for Blu-ray...


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Posted May 14 2013 - 04:44 AM

Adrian, the disc includes English, Spanish, French, German, and Italian audio tracks.

 

Thanks Ray.....- I´m looking forward for this film though I read that it hasn´t got the great picture quality of "Brubaker".







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