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Can anybody confirm if the entr'acte music for CLEOPATRA has been fixed?

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#41 of 78 OFFLINE   Moe Dickstein

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Posted May 23 2013 - 06:45 PM

At the end of disc one it' still in the RIGHT PLACE, before act two. It's just not where you wanted it, but it's not like it's out of order!
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Posted May 23 2013 - 09:20 PM

Part two should come on right after the entr'acte music There should be no pause to change the disc.Music ends, lights dim, curtain opens, picture on. Thats roadshow folks!


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#43 of 78 OFFLINE   Moe Dickstein

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Posted May 24 2013 - 09:56 AM

but its not in the wrong order.
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Posted May 24 2013 - 10:15 AM

but its not in the wrong order.

No one ever said it was in the wrong order.  But to put the entr'acte at the end of disc one places the break in the wrong spot.  It really doesn't matter much unless you are trying to replicate the roadshow experience with an audience at home, but isn't that what home theatres are all about?



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Posted May 24 2013 - 10:19 AM

No, some people just want to watch the movie and appreciate the movie just starting right up when you put the disc in, Glad I have the UK release.
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Posted May 24 2013 - 11:48 AM

No, some people just want to watch the movie and appreciate the movie just starting right up when you put the disc in, Glad I have the UK release.

 

There is perhaps a generational difference here because those of us who grew up in the roadshow era consider the Overture, Entr'acte etc to be part  of the movie. Not something which should be cut from the movie or removed from the presentation.


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Posted May 24 2013 - 11:57 AM

Plus you know, we're not in a theater where people need bathroom breaks or time to go get popcorn. I guess I don't find a great appeal in SLAVISHLY replicating an experience that I am not a gigantic fan of in the first place. I far prefer viewing at home than going to a theater, I barely go once or twice a year these days.
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Posted May 24 2013 - 12:07 PM

Plus you know, we're not in a theater where people need bathroom breaks or time to go get popcorn. I guess I don't find a great appeal in SLAVISHLY replicating an experience that I am not a gigantic fan of in the first place. I far prefer viewing at home than going to a theater, I barely go once or twice a year these days.

But some of us have home theatres where guests need bathroom breaks and time to go get popcorn and generally discuss what we saw in Act I before we dim the lights for Act II.

 

I barely go to a theatre once or twice a year either, because they lack the showmanship I can give a film at home.


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Posted May 24 2013 - 12:10 PM

At the end of disc one it' still in the RIGHT PLACE, before act two. It's just not where you wanted it, but it's not like it's out of order!

 

That is not a correct statement.  That may be the way you want to view the film but not as the film makers intended.  All roadshows films that included an intermission and entr'acte always placed the entr'acte at the beginning of the second half of the film as a sort of overture to the second half.  The UK disc as stated is incorrect and the newly released US version is apparently corrected.



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Posted May 24 2013 - 12:18 PM

Plus you know, we're not in a theater where people need bathroom breaks or time to go get popcorn. I guess I don't find a great appeal in SLAVISHLY replicating an experience that I am not a gigantic fan of in the first place. I far prefer viewing at home than going to a theater, I barely go once or twice a year these days.

 

Well if you don't want to replicate the roadshow presentation you can simply press the skip button and go straight to the next chapter. In fact, you don't even need to go to that effort because you have the UK disc, which doesn't have the Entr'acte at the beginning of part 2, so what's the problem?


Edited by Douglas R, May 24 2013 - 08:53 PM.


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Posted May 24 2013 - 01:58 PM

That is not a correct statement.  That may be the way you want to view the film but not as the film makers intended.  All roadshows films that included an intermission and entr'acte always placed the entr'acte at the beginning of the second half of the film as a sort of overture to the second half.  The UK disc as stated is incorrect and the newly released US version is apparently corrected.


Overture - part one - ent'racte - part two

Those elements are in the correct ORDER in all releases.
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Posted May 24 2013 - 02:04 PM

Overture - part one - ent'racte - part two

Those elements are in the correct ORDER in all releases.

 

Correct.



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Posted May 24 2013 - 02:07 PM

Correct.

Ok because that was my whole point all along. Nothing is stopping anyone from pausing the disc at the end of part one (or ANYTIME really) and then starting the entr'acte then putting in disc two for part two.

I can't imagine having people over without everyone saying to "skip ahead to the movie" if I were to play an entr'acte when running a film like this. It would be like expecting everyone to dress up to come over and watch the movie, it's another thing we don't do when watching at home as opposed to going to a roadshow in the 50s or 60s
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Posted May 24 2013 - 02:08 PM

Overture - part one - ent'racte - part two

Those elements are in the correct ORDER in all releases.

 

You're omitting the crucial break in the film.

 

US:  Overture - part one - FORCED BREAK IN THE FILM - entr'acte - part two.

 

UK:  Overture - part one - entr'acte - FORCED BREAK IN THE FILM - part two.

 

With the latter, you may as well split the film up onto two discs at the conclusion of any scene.  You're stopping the film at a point where no break was intended.



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Posted May 24 2013 - 02:17 PM

Oh well wouldn't have been a big deal to me either way. I just want to watch the movie
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It's a four hour film so the chance of me watching it more then two times is very low and I
Hardly need to sit through the overture and entr'acte more than the one time.
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Posted May 24 2013 - 03:57 PM

TonyD and Moe, it's simple, get the UK disc and go with it. I have read many threads about correct aspect ratio and Blu-rays that do not look like film. I am for the correct aspect ratio and for the transfer to look like film. I also want movies released on DVD or Blu-Ray to emulate as much as possible the original theatrical experience. And the Entr'acte played before the start of part two is correct. It was there to to bring the audience into the mood for the rest of the film. The break occurs before the Entr'acte not after. It's just that plain and simple.

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Posted May 24 2013 - 04:10 PM

....All roadshows films that included an intermission and entr'acte always placed the entr'acte at the beginning of the second half of the film as a sort of overture to the second half.  The UK disc as stated is incorrect and the newly released US version is apparently corrected.

 

Exactly. I still can't believe the overture of Scrooge was left off the blu-ray.


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Posted May 24 2013 - 04:34 PM

You're omitting the crucial break in the film.
 
US:  Overture - part one - FORCED BREAK IN THE FILM - entr'acte - part two.
 
UK:  Overture - part one - entr'acte - FORCED BREAK IN THE FILM - part two.
 
With the latter, you may as well split the film up onto two discs at the conclusion of any scene.  You're stopping the film at a point where no break was intended.


So I guess you never ever watched a movie on a Laserdisc eh? Talk to me after you look at my CAV version of Gone With The Wind with 5 discs...

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Posted May 24 2013 - 04:36 PM

TonyD and Moe, it's simple, get the UK disc and go with it. I have read many threads about correct aspect ratio and Blu-rays that do not look like film. I am for the correct aspect ratio and for the transfer to look like film. I also want movies released on DVD or Blu-Ray to emulate as much as possible the original theatrical experience. And the Entr'acte played before the start of part two is correct. It was there to to bring the audience into the mood for the rest of the film. The break occurs before the Entr'acte not after. It's just that plain and simple.


I have the UK disc, have had it for over a year.

I get irritated at this particular complaint because it is SO petty and unimportant.

The Entr'acte was there so that you had time to get back to your seat before the curtain, it wasnt like they waited until everyone was settled in and then started the music.

When there are discs with REAL problems it seems like wasted energy to spend pages and pages across 5 threads bitching about THIS.
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Posted May 24 2013 - 04:37 PM

So I guess you never ever watched a movie on a Laserdisc eh? Talk to me after you look at my CAV version of Gone With The Wind with 5 discs...

Home and Theater are different experiences.

I have that same CAV laserdisc box set.  Also Ben-Hur.  And while I love the packaging on both, thank goodness the days of side breaks are over!







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