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Any chance "The New Leave It to Beaver" will be released?


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#21 of 52 OFFLINE   jimmyjet

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Posted April 22 2013 - 06:47 PM

other than eddie and possibly larry, i dont think any other non-cleaver had that much contribution to the series.

 

i think all this lumpy talk is merely because he died.

 

lumpy is barely on at all in the first year, and he only slowly becomes a friend.

 

i am still on the second year, as it is the show i am currently watching.

 

the thing that really makes the show is that it is well written.

 

ward and june have great dialogue.  and while i think ward is actually a good actor, june is good some time.  and other times, the writing saves her.

 

of the boys, i think beaver does better acting than wally.

 

the only slightly irritating aspect of wally's acting is his constant action of looking down.  it is not normal, in the sense that i have never seen a real person do this.  although i suspect that it is intentional.  so while it may not be a defect in wally's acting, i dont think it helps the character of wally.



#22 of 52 OFFLINE   TravisR

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Posted April 22 2013 - 07:13 PM

i think all this lumpy talk is merely because he died.

I can assure you that I was a Lumpy fan prior to a week and a half ago. :)



#23 of 52 OFFLINE   Gary OS

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Posted April 22 2013 - 07:21 PM

I can assure you that I was a Lumpy fan prior to a week and a half ago. :)

 

As was I. 

 

 

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Posted April 23 2013 - 04:07 AM

Well considering that Frank Bank just passed away it isn't surprising that fans of The Beaver would be remembering his contribution to the series.

 

I'll never forget the episode where Lumpy and Eddie were riding the roller coaster together. Cracks me up everytime I think about it despite the fact I haven't seen that episode in quite a while. 

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Posted April 23 2013 - 05:34 AM

I can assure you that I was a Lumpy fan prior to a week and a half ago. :)

 

 

As was I. 

 

 

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Me three.  One of my favorite LITB memories is Lumpy strumming that steering wheel.  "Zoom... zoom... zoom zoom zoom!"



#26 of 52 OFFLINE   Gary OS

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Posted April 23 2013 - 05:43 AM

Gotta love Lumpy.

 

 

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#27 of 52 OFFLINE   Mark Y

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Posted April 24 2013 - 06:09 AM

You can read about the rights situation here. Apparently Universal sold the distribution rights to a company called Qintex which went out of business and the rights are now in limbo. It's a real shame because The New Leave it to Beaver was an excellent show and now it may never be seen again.

 

I thought that was a familiar name. Qintex was the company that did some of the first colorizations for Hal Roach Studios (the Laurel & Hardy films Way Out West, The Music Box and Helpmates). A link within your link leads one to a page about Sonar Entertainment, formerly RHI, which makes sense since RHI controls the Hal Roach library. Mystery solved?

 

Now, not to be a muckraker, but if RHI misplaced the restorations of several Little Rascals films (leading to the Blackhawk Films home movie prints used on the box set, later corrected on the individual single-volume reissues) can they find The New Leave It To Beaver?

 

BTW -- IIRC originally the show began with a TV-movie called Still The Beaver. The Disney Channel series retained that title, but when it moved to TBS it was retitled The New Leave It To Beaver.


Edited by Mark Y, April 24 2013 - 06:09 AM.


#28 of 52 OFFLINE   Neil Brock

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Posted April 24 2013 - 08:20 AM

Well, if the masters were on videotape and stored at Universal, then they're gone in the fire. Pretty much all of the Universal tapes burned up so if a show was produced on videotape, then its likely gone. Also, if its not a show that Universal will go to the expense of transferring, then it may not be gone but it won't be seen again. Something like Baretta for instance.



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Posted April 24 2013 - 09:44 AM

I don't think anyone has ever claimed that the master elements to The New Leave it to Beaver are lost. The only issue is the rights which are in legal limbo.


Edited by Mark-P, April 24 2013 - 09:45 AM.


#30 of 52 OFFLINE   Tony Bensley

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Posted October 03 2013 - 02:54 PM

I don't think anyone has ever claimed that the master elements to The New Leave it to Beaver are lost. The only issue is the rights which are in legal limbo.

Which I'm afraid may ultimately be a non-resolvable one!  I had been trying to remember which TV show got caught in a permanent release rights limbo as a result of Qintex going under, and reading this thread triggered my memory.  From what I recall about the article that I read online a few years back, because Qintex went under without the rights to TNLITB being transferred prior to its dissolution, NOBODY ELSE can ever obtain release rights to this show!  A profoundly unfortunate situation, indeed!  

 

I wish I had better news as I love LEAVE IT TO BEAVER, and what I saw of the sequel series was also worthwhile viewing! 

 

GEE WHIZ!!

 

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#31 of 52 OFFLINE   jimmyjet

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Posted October 03 2013 - 08:01 PM

well, someone has to own it.



#32 of 52 OFFLINE   Neil Brock

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Posted October 03 2013 - 10:26 PM

Pretty sure that Quintex was involved in the production of the Morton Downey Jr. show and they just produced a movie about that series, using a ton of clips. So, those had to come from somewhere and if the rights were able to be obtained for the movie than they found someone who has them.



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Posted October 04 2013 - 09:41 AM

Which series do we know were completely lost in the fire?  There are many classic Uni series still around, of course.


CBS = Constantly Butchering Shows.


#34 of 52 OFFLINE   Tony Bensley

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Posted October 04 2013 - 09:27 PM

well, someone has to own it.

Hi jimmyjet!

 

Here is some unfortunate but relevant information from The New Leave It To Beaver's Wikipedia page:

 

[color=rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;]According to series costars Frank Bank and Ken Osmond in a May 28, 2008 [/color]internet radio[color=rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;] interview at shokusradio.com, the reason the series has not aired in American syndication since the early 1990s is because Universal sold the show's master videos and distribution rights to [/color]Qintex Productions[color=rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;] (named after an Australian company), which served as the distributor when first-run episodes were aired in US syndication and went out of business shortly after the purchase was made, leaving the broadcast rights in limbo. This is also the reason why the series may never be released on DVD. However, according to the Bank/Osmond interview, the show does on a rare occasion air in British and Australian markets.[/color]

 

[color=rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;]Again--GEE WHIZ!!![/color]

 

Tony


Edited by Tony Bensley, October 04 2013 - 09:39 PM.


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Posted October 04 2013 - 09:37 PM

Look at it this way, Tony, and everyone else in this thread: It could have been worse. They could have been lost in the 2008 fire.



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Posted October 04 2013 - 10:14 PM

Look at it this way, Tony, and everyone else in this thread: It could have been worse. They could have been lost in the 2008 fire.

 

And at least we have our VHS copies as a backup in case it doesn't get released.



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Posted October 05 2013 - 08:12 AM

Hey, one question here:

 

When the episodes of The New Leave it to Beaver are shown in Australia and Britain, do they suffer from PAL Speed-Up? I seem to remember reading that filmed programs, when shown in PAL territories, will be effected by PAL Speed-Up, depending on what the stations are working with. If they're working with tape masters, the speed will be left alone. But if they're working with the original film elements, then they will be sped-up.


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#38 of 52 OFFLINE   jimmyjet

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Posted October 05 2013 - 09:10 PM

well, i happen to be an optimist when it comes to releasing shows.  since it seems as though it is with us still, i think we will see it some time.

 

as far as i know, there is always a system that transfers property. 

 

it could be by will, by trust, or by company charter, etc.

 

but it does not just sit in limbo, with no one owning it.

 

i do not see the situation, as described, as anything that limiting.



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Posted October 05 2013 - 09:15 PM

the danny thomas show, as described to me, is a lot more disconcerting.

 

supposedly dt put in his will that the first episodes, before marjorie reynolds, were not to be released, because of some feud between him and the woman.

 

in that case, the owner is recognized.  now just how the will really reads, i cant say for sure.

 

but for all his generosity in some areas, keeping millions of people from enjoying the series, to spite one person, seems extremely petty, and beneath him.

 

and i am hoping that at some point, the person in charge of the show will see that also as something hurting the image of dt, and release it.



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Posted October 06 2013 - 12:19 PM

And at least we have our VHS copies as a backup in case it doesn't get released.

 

Yeah, but this is the tv-on-DVD forum, not the tv-on-vhs forum. So your point isn't being helpful. I don't know, Neil, I thought you had worked past this kind of thing, but here you go again--rubbing people's noses in it, if they didn't have the foresight to record something off-air thirty years ago.


 

 





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