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#1 of 14 OFFLINE   Jim Mcc

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Posted February 04 2013 - 09:55 AM

I recently bought 3 new Infinity Primus 163's for my 3 fronts, and I just ordered 2 P143's for surrounds. My question is would I be better off setting receiver's crossover at 80 hz. or 100 hz? The speaker specs are listed below. The sub in this setup is an 8" Sony. My receiver only allows one crossover setting for all speakers. Thanks. P163 fronts - rated down to 49 hz. P143 surrounds - rated down to 100 hz. If I set crossover to 80 hz, the surrounds won't output between 80 and 100 hz. But this is minor, correct? If I set crossover to 100 hz. the fronts won't output between 49 hz. and 100 hz. This seems worse, doesn't it, since they're the 3 main speakers?

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Posted February 04 2013 - 10:07 AM

Choose the crossover setting based on the front speakers. The center and surrounds don't receiver enough deep bass in their signals for it to be a concern. It's difficult to say since it depends on the relationship between the subwoofer, front speakers, room acoustics and normal volume level which makes it tough to try and give a precise crossover number. But I'd switch between 80 and 100 and see which you like best. Concentrate on balancing the bass output between the fronts and the subwoofer.
"Everyday room": Panasonic 58" Plasma, Dish HD DVR, Pioneer Elite vsx-23, BDP-23 BR, dv58avi universal dvd player, Paradigm Studio 20 V1, CC-450, Dayton HSU-10 subwoofer.

"Movie/Music room": Toshiba 65" DLP, Dish HD receiver, Marantz 7005, CC-4003, BD-7006, Polk LSI25's-LSi7's-LSiC, 2 original Dayton 10" "Mighty-Mites" subwoofers. (subject to change without notice).
 
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Posted February 04 2013 - 10:14 AM

Surrounds do receive bass. I would have bought two more of what you had already. When you buy a new AVR don't buy a Yamaha or Pioneer/Elite.

#4 of 14 OFFLINE   Jim Mcc

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Posted February 04 2013 - 01:09 PM

Thanks gene, that's what I was thinking. Sam, I would have bought the same speakers as the fronts, but they are way too big for our family room. The damn things are 11" deep. Even the next smaller(P153's) are 10.25" deep. That's why I chose the P143's. Why are you saying not to buy a Yamaha or Pioneer Elite?

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Posted February 04 2013 - 01:18 PM

Thanks gene, that's what I was thinking. Sam, I would have bought the same speakers as the fronts, but they are way too big for our family room. The damn things are 11" deep. Even the next smaller(P153's) are 10.25" deep. That's why I chose the P143's. Why are you saying not to buy a Yamaha or Pioneer Elite?

Because you haveto select one crossover setting for all speaker groups. Other brands allow you to select one crossover setting for each speaker group. Unless you crank it up real high I don't think 80 or 100 is be a problem. If you watch a lot of movies with active LFE content then choose 100. Otherwise, 80 should be O.K. if it sounds better to you.
"Everyday room": Panasonic 58" Plasma, Dish HD DVR, Pioneer Elite vsx-23, BDP-23 BR, dv58avi universal dvd player, Paradigm Studio 20 V1, CC-450, Dayton HSU-10 subwoofer.

"Movie/Music room": Toshiba 65" DLP, Dish HD receiver, Marantz 7005, CC-4003, BD-7006, Polk LSI25's-LSi7's-LSiC, 2 original Dayton 10" "Mighty-Mites" subwoofers. (subject to change without notice).
 
Also have  MB Quart Vera VS05 +.....too much to list. Help me.
 
 

 


#6 of 14 OFFLINE   Jim Mcc

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Posted February 04 2013 - 06:24 PM

Because you haveto select one crossover setting for all speaker groups. Other brands allow you to select one crossover setting for each speaker group. If you watch a lot of movies with active LFE content then choose 100.

Can you explain your second sentence in more detail? Thanks gene.

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Posted February 04 2013 - 11:13 PM

Actually, I said a lot of movies with active "bass" content. Action movies have a lot more deep bass in them (explosions, car crashes, etc) which can be more taxing on smaller speakers (all speakers, actually) if the crossover is set too low so that would be one .reason to set the crossover a little higher. Most music and regular tv shows with mostly dialog and not as much deep bass content you could use the lower crossover setting.
"Everyday room": Panasonic 58" Plasma, Dish HD DVR, Pioneer Elite vsx-23, BDP-23 BR, dv58avi universal dvd player, Paradigm Studio 20 V1, CC-450, Dayton HSU-10 subwoofer.

"Movie/Music room": Toshiba 65" DLP, Dish HD receiver, Marantz 7005, CC-4003, BD-7006, Polk LSI25's-LSi7's-LSiC, 2 original Dayton 10" "Mighty-Mites" subwoofers. (subject to change without notice).
 
Also have  MB Quart Vera VS05 +.....too much to list. Help me.
 
 

 


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Posted February 04 2013 - 11:16 PM

Because you have to select one crossover setting for all speaker groups. Other brands allow you to select one crossover setting for each speaker group.

Some brands routinely provide the ability to set each pair of speakers at a different crossover. So the fronts could be at 60hz, and the surrounds at 100hz. That's useful if you have larger speakers in the front which go down to, say, 40 hz, but smaller speakers as surrounds which may only go down to 80 hz. You could set the crossover for the fronts to 80 and the surrounds to 100. On receivers with only one crossover point, you'd have to pick the higher cross over to not push the speakers with the highest low end; so in the previous example you'd have to set the crossover for the system to 100hz, and you'd lose output from the mains.

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Posted February 05 2013 - 04:33 AM

Thanks guys. I hate when I get conflicting answers. :)

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Posted February 05 2013 - 11:14 AM

Conflicting "answers" is a problem. Someone has to be right :banana: and someone has to be :blush:...Conflicting "opinions" :chatter:....get used to it :) . Anyway, I hope you're enjoying your new speakers. I'm kind of hooked on Infinity Beta's (used). Great bang for the buck. Infinity Primus should be very similar.
"Everyday room": Panasonic 58" Plasma, Dish HD DVR, Pioneer Elite vsx-23, BDP-23 BR, dv58avi universal dvd player, Paradigm Studio 20 V1, CC-450, Dayton HSU-10 subwoofer.

"Movie/Music room": Toshiba 65" DLP, Dish HD receiver, Marantz 7005, CC-4003, BD-7006, Polk LSI25's-LSi7's-LSiC, 2 original Dayton 10" "Mighty-Mites" subwoofers. (subject to change without notice).
 
Also have  MB Quart Vera VS05 +.....too much to list. Help me.
 
 

 


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Posted February 05 2013 - 03:45 PM

I am enjoying the P163's. They are very nice speakers. My P143 surrounds will be here tomorrow. I sold the 5 KLH speakers today that I was using in this setup.

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Posted February 06 2013 - 02:00 AM

Conflicting "answers" is a problem. Someone has to be right :banana: and someone has to be :blush:...Conflicting "opinions" :chatter:....get used to it :) . Anyway, I hope you're enjoying your new speakers. I'm kind of hooked on Infinity Beta's (used). Great bang for the buck. Infinity Primus should be very similar.

You should hear all the snark I get for complete tower theatres. I was watching Killer Joe the other day with a couple friends over. After the movie one goes "Holy $h!t that sounded great."... And he wonders why I don't go over to his house to watch anything...(he has the typical "WAF approved" stuff that could be hidden...) I think his wife will come around to some real speakers cause during the intermission of movies(2nd movie was The Guard) my gf slapped in a Hi-Res of Diana Krall....

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Posted February 06 2013 - 02:32 AM

Sam - I love whole tower setups, they just aren't practical for my room aesthetics. That said, you can get deep extension in a surround these days. The JTR Slanted 8 comes to mind.



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Posted February 06 2013 - 03:07 AM

A speaker doesn't "have to be a tower"... I had some DA PS10 for a while. Those things rocked.




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