You could also say the same thing for DexterTravisR said:^ I'm just guessing but I don't think that will be due to the show taking a pro-USSR/anti-U.S. stance. The spies are the leads and viewers almost always root for the main characters to accomplish their goals. On Breaking Bad for example, I feel that Walt's a bad guy but I still want to see him get away with whatever scheme he's involved with. Though I guess I want it both ways because I also want to see Walt pay for his crimes at the end of that series.
With Dexter and his "Code", at least you can justifiably root for him in that he's also basically a vigilante -- who happens to be a serial killer and therefore really "enjoys" his work -- and we've almost always rooted for vigilantes even if they are technically breaking the law, e.g. The Punisher, the Green Hornet; was the Lone Ranger actually a lawman, or also a vigilante?Originally Posted by JohnS
You could also say the same thing for Dexter
Dexter embodies both good and evil in his internal conflict between his consciously moral nature and his "dark passenger." His "good side" is easy to root for. Of course, much of the show is more concerned with the logistics of keeping secrets then with his actual psychological issues. He doesn't spend much effort trying to stop himself from killing. (Note that I've only seen through season 5. Season 6 starts tonight, incidentally!)Yee-Ming said:With Dexter and his "Code", at least you can justifiably root for him in that he's also basically a vigilante -- who happens to be a serial killer and therefore really "enjoys" his work -- and we've almost always rooted for vigilantes even if they are technically breaking the law, e.g. The Punisher, the Green Hornet; was the Lone Ranger actually a lawman, or also a vigilante?
On the other hand, "Elizabeth" and "Philip" aren't psychopaths. You can invest in them because they develop emotionally. The plot of the pilot was basically: "Philip's" love for his wife was greater than his desire to defect, and "Elizabeth" -- seeing what he did and understanding why he did it -- finally lets her husband in, emotionally, and defies the first rule of the KGB: never discuss your old life. They each chose their marriage over their politics.Yee-Ming said:With Dexter and his "Code", at least you can justifiably root for him in that he's also basically a vigilante
being 40, and growing up in the 80's, I really enjoyed the music all throughout. I especially liked the sex scene in the car with the Phil Collins - "In the Air Tonight" I agree about the lighting. Very cinemaesque. I've seen a few FX shows, like Wilfred, Archer and Sunny in Philadelphia. But I was still surprised by the anal rape scene and the audio recording of the finger up the ass during sex.DaveF said:I thoroughly enjoyed The Americans. The style was great. The music took me back to the '80s. The lighting, particularly the night scenes, had the feel of cinema more than conventional television. And the first 30 minutes or so was thrilling. If the show can recreate the tension of the introduction, it will be a great ride. I've not watched an FX show in several years, so I was surprised by the level of sex and violence. The Mature / LSV rating was not fooling around! It was also a little hard accepting the ages. When the first flashback happened, from '81 to '60-something, telling me Elizabeth is about 40, it was jarring. The leads don't quite look 40s in the 'present day', and don't look 20s in the flashbacks. But to start, every character is interesting. The main story, two Soviet spies living in America as Americans, has promise. I hope they keep the internal tension. Phillips desire to defect and live the American family life suggested a proxy for him truly being in love with Elizabeth, while she viewed him and even the kids as "mission". But his alliance with her, finally being "stronger", as her sex-audiotape indirectly told him to be, and cementing the decision to stay (and not defect) brought her over to him. And the final scene flipped itself from being goofball spy-drama to chilling setup for the rest of the season. I'm excited about the next episode. It's got panache.
FX has to be the most lenient channel on basic cable. Sons Of Anarchy and American Horror Story go way beyond what was in The Americans.DaveF said:I've not watched an FX show in several years, so I was surprised by the level of sex and violence. The Mature / LSV rating was not fooling around!