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Posted January 06 2013 - 08:48 AM

Started looking at HTiB but changing to individual components after reading many pages of this site's recommendations. Looked at too many and they are starting to blur. My situation: Space - 18x18 w/12' ceiling, one end wall opens to a larger space, 8' book cases on front and back walls, seating in the middle. Leaning toward 5.1 w/bookcase speakers as the floor is wood on a slab making the mid speakers hard to wire, plus the wife doesn't like towers. The house has lamp wire running to the top ends of both bookcases Input - Samsung 46" 630 series, WIFI, FM and will be adding BluRay and HD radio. No gaming or Apple, just movies and music. Budget - approx $800 + bluray and HD. Retired, so costs are a concern but rather pay a bit more to avoid the urge to upgrade. Timing - Started looking early NOV but prices seemed to go up with black Friday. Is it worth waiting for CES and new releases for a hopeful drop in 2012 component prices? Thanks in advance, Cal

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Posted January 09 2013 - 06:21 AM

OK, what about starting out with an NR709 receiver http://www.accessori...Receiver/1.html One or two pair of SVS SBS-02 bookshelf speakers. I could start with front and add rear later, or do both now. http://www.svsound.c...02#.UO3Beqx69LQ And a 10"-12" Sub? I know the 709 is probably overkill and takes up too greater % of the total, but it offers a lot and allows expansion. How important is a center speaker? Cal

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Posted January 09 2013 - 06:58 AM

The NR709/809 are last years and represent killer value. The 717/818 are about to go clearance as well...pushing the cost of the 709/809 further down(but...there is a "wait too long you'll miss it" aspect as well...) Starting off with two...then adding later is almost always the best choice...but. If you are amenable to used...check out Craigslist(Dallas and Houston are GOLDMINES for used CE) and Ebay(you can search Ebay based on distance). Audiogon is also worth it to check. If you find something(s) you can always post it and say "what do y'all think?"... Not going to steer you away from buying a NIB NR709. But an hour searching CL/Ebay/Audiogon and you might find a steal. The reason I'm suggesting used...."future proofing" is darn near impossible. But if you buy a pair of speakers now...then find something else in a whole new direction...sell the pair you have now.

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Posted January 09 2013 - 07:09 AM

Thanks Sam. I took a quick look at CL over the weekend and nothing jumped out at me, but I am still learning what to look for. Didn't think to look at Ebay because of shipping costs. Newegg has Polk 45Bs for $200, lots to pick from. http://www.newegg.co...N82E16882290269 Cal

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Posted January 09 2013 - 07:19 AM

http://dallas.craigs...3532510164.html (the 320 is not worth keeping, you could re-sell it for $50...the rest is worth it) http://dallas.craigs...3519195425.html (if that one pic is the worst damage...they are worth it) http://dallas.craigs...3531526376.html (entirely worth it...then if you "want" 7.1, buy two more Polk and a 7.1 AVR...re-sell the 391, I just now noticed "no remote" for the 391...makes that...eh...) And that was just searching Polk and the top 1/3 of the first page.

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Posted January 09 2013 - 07:22 AM

Thanks again, just where I was going after building a spreadsheet. Cal

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Posted January 09 2013 - 07:23 AM

Run...I mean call now...if these are still available...don't pass go... http://dallas.craigs...3466861977.html That speaker "today" is $2000. (in a comparable today speaker by Polk)

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Posted January 09 2013 - 07:31 AM

If you bite on those LS70(I hope you do)... Here is the rest of a 7.0... http://dallas.craigs...3525079291.html That is less than $500 on speakers...if you bought "new equivalent" would cost you $3000.

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Posted January 09 2013 - 08:01 AM

Great work Sam but I can't handle floor speakers - unless are very narrow or laid sideways in the bookcase. I only have 8" between the bookcase and doorways on each side, plus the walls have fire stops so I would have to cut drywall to wire past them. My old Thiel speakers are out in the shop because there is no place for them in the house. Cal

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Posted January 09 2013 - 08:12 AM

I'll forgive you then...for passing on the LS70... However that 5.0 set is worth snagging with those Monitor 45. $400 in speakers...worth it. (that is if you can use white)

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Posted January 09 2013 - 08:33 AM

How laughable would it be to lay tower speakers across the top of an 8' bookcase and angle them toward the seating area? Would the larger contact area ruin the audio dynamics? Those LS70s are tempting. Cal

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Posted January 09 2013 - 11:00 AM

Well, technically it shouldn't make a difference...but...depends if Polk used a crossover to rely on the vertical. I've laid speakers on their side before and not noticed a difference. If you do notice a difference, remove the tweeter and rotate it 90 degrees(assuming Polk used an even number of screws...that is easy)

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Posted January 09 2013 - 12:12 PM

How laughable would it be to lay tower speakers across the top of an 8' bookcase and angle them toward the seating area? Would the larger contact area ruin the audio dynamics? Those LS70s are tempting. Cal

I can't imagine something like that sounding very well at all. Buying used is a great way to get speakers on the cheap. Here's another example of what's available, but the towers are too wide for your application. http://dallas.craigs...3465612730.html Exactly what dimensions do you have to work with?
"Everyday room": Panasonic 58" Plasma, Dish HD DVR, Pioneer Elite vsx-23, BDP-23 BR, dv58avi universal dvd player, Paradigm Studio 20 V1, CC-450, Dayton HSU-10 subwoofer.

"Movie/Music room": Toshiba 65" DLP, Dish HD receiver, Marantz 7005, CC-4003, BD-7006, Polk LSI25's-LSi7's-LSiC, 2 original Dayton 10" "Mighty-Mites" subwoofers. (subject to change without notice).
 
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Posted January 09 2013 - 02:11 PM

Those Infinity would work if they don't mind laying on their sides. What I have is a built in, three bay bookcase (10'wx9'hx11"d) with each bay 36-37" wide. The three bays sit on a 19" deep cabinet, also in three sections, with the center section open. I planned on using the center open section (36wx24hx19d) for the sub and perhaps center speaker. The shelves on the bookcase are adjustable so the 36-37" bay width and 11" depth are the limiting dimensions. Not that speakers extending and inch or two beyond the shelf would be a problem. There is three feet between the top of the bookcase and the ceiling. The opposite (rear) wall is similar but has four bays, all shelves, and no lower cabinet. On the upper corners of both bookcases are speaker wires that end in the office, about ten feet from where the TV is and where the AVR will go. Luckily there is unused lamp wire coming out of the front bookcase behind the TV. I just need to match that up with the rear speaker wire and I will have my connection for the rear speakers. At 33" tall/long, the RS4s fit. What I don't know is how to rate Infinity RS4s versus Polk versus other speakers, but that may not make a difference as I am looking for good not great. Used speakers at these prices makes it easy to listen and learn - and not too painful to change. I appreciate your suggestions. Cal

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Posted January 09 2013 - 02:23 PM

Just like the Polk LS70... If they have a crossover for vertical alignment, you'll need to rotate the tweeter. The same issue with MTM center, is the same problem orienting a speaker sideways(that is meant to be vertical). IF you "aim" the speaker at your seat, then you get a wide up/down dispersion...narrow top/bottom. But it has to have a crossover designed that way. Many bookshelf speakers do not have an "orientation based crossover" so they can be lain on their side...no issue. So...if the company uses the "same" crossover in the bookshelf and tower...you are fine. If not...rotate the tweeter.




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