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#21 of 62 Douglas Monce

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Posted November 04 2012 - 05:56 PM

Off topic, but one of the more interesting comparisons I ever read had to do with the similarities and influence of Them! on James Cameron's Aliens. I don't recall where I read this, but it provided some intriguing contrasts between the two films. Best SF film of the '50s for me is easily The Day The Earth Stood Still. A pure SF film that ponders man's place in the cosmos with excellent FX work and a great otherworldly performance from Michael Rennie. A true classic of the genre that is still remarkably relevant. To get somewhat back on topic, a Bd of 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea would be an automatic purchase. I really love seeing the classics (which I never had the opportunity to see theatrically) released in High Definition. Next best thing to seeing them at a theater. - Walter.

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Posted November 05 2012 - 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by Douglas Monce 


Yes its a horror film. Just as Frankenstein is a horror film, even though at its heart it is a story of advanced medical science. I'm sorry but giant bug movies are first and for most, horror films. Of course the dividing line between sci-fi and horror is sometimes rather thin.
I'll go farther and say that Alien is a horror film, Prometheus is a sci-fi film.
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Posted November 05 2012 - 01:36 AM

They are both sci-fi and horror.
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Posted November 05 2012 - 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by TonyD 

They are both sci-fi and horror.

I've seen sites, critics and publications classify them as such.


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#25 of 62 Walter Kittel

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Posted November 05 2012 - 02:06 AM

FWIW, I think of Alien as a true Horror / SF hybrid and agree with those who praise it for melding those two genres so successfully. The (giant) creature features of the '50s while containing horror elements are, in my estimation, much more closely aligned with the SF genre. By exploring the ramifications of man's dealings with radioactivity the engage in a genuine SF pursuit - extrapolation of technological change (the atom bomb) and its impact on society, as personified by the monsters that inhabit this sub-genre. The fact that they are cautionary tales further enhances their SF credentials. As Ray Bradbury famously said "I don't try to predict the future, I try to prevent it." - Walter.
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Posted November 05 2012 - 03:39 AM

By exploring the ramifications of man's dealings with radioactivity the engage in a genuine SF pursuit - extrapolation of technological change (the atom bomb) and its impact on society, as personified by the monsters that inhabit this sub-genre. The fact that they are cautionary tales further enhances their SF credentials.

Well, that's certainly a view that's often promoted these days, but in the films themselves it's usually treated in a perfunctory manner, via brief opening montages of bomb-test stock-footage or in tech-babble exchanges between men in white smocks and military brass. It serves only to support at least a semblance of suspension of disbelief, so it's really just a MacGuffin: it's the thing that nobody in the film cares about but sets up the situation that they do care about and that takes up virtually the whole film: battling giant bugs.

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Posted November 05 2012 - 03:53 AM

but in the films themselves it's usually treated in a perfunctory manner

Well, I agree that the films are not feature length treatises on the perils of atomic energy and that yes, they do often merely set the stage for a bug-hunt, but I still find them to be more SF than horror. Having said that, I will qualify that statement by admitting that the slasher films from the '70s onward may have have 'reset' my horror genre expectations and if I were a viewer in 1950s my thinking on the genre classifications might have been different. - Walter.
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Posted November 05 2012 - 10:29 PM

Well, I agree that the films are not feature length treatises on the perils of atomic energy and that yes, they do often merely set the stage for a bug-hunt, but I still find them to be more SF than horror. Having said that, I will qualify that statement by admitting that the slasher films from the '70s onward may have have 'reset' my horror genre expectations and if I were a viewer in 1950s my thinking on the genre classifications might have been different. - Walter.

Indeed I don't even consider slasher films to be horror films. I tend to refer to them as gore films, as they seem to be more interested in grossing out the audience, than illiciting true horror. Interestingly the film that is often sited as having started the slasher genre, Halloween, has very little gore in it. Doug
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Posted November 05 2012 - 10:40 PM

They are both sci-fi and horror.

Surely they have elements of both. In my opinion its the emphasis that makes the difference. Consider two films from the 1950's, Them! and Forbidden Planet. Both have giant monsters. In Them!, once we get past the notion that the ants are creations of atomic testing, the movie is mostly about how scary they are, and how much they can put the cast in danger. Forbidden Planet's monster is also scary, but the film makers are more interested in the nature of the beast. In fact the revelation, or twist at the end of the film is a rather deep sci-fi concept that makes you think about it after the film is over, rather than just keeping you up at night. Doug
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Posted July 31 2014 - 07:56 AM

Anyone heard anything about this title?  The remastered version is on itunes, but im holding out for the BluRay.  This is my desired title that has yet to be released on BD, along with The Abyss.  Something about those underwater movies I guess.


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Posted July 31 2014 - 08:24 AM

20,000 Leagues is also on my want list as is The Abyss, True Lies and Swiss Family Robinson.


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Posted July 31 2014 - 09:06 AM

I kept hearing report after report about how it was coming for its 60th (!) anniversary this year-- and yet, nothing so far. I'm glad I didn't sell my 2-disc DVD. 


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Posted July 31 2014 - 09:16 AM

20,000 Leagues is also on my want list as is The Abyss, True Lies and Swiss Family Robinson.

There is a lot of old disney I would buy on BD.  20k Leagues, Swiss Family Robinson, The Black Hole, Condorman...


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Posted July 31 2014 - 05:57 PM

FWIW, I think of Alien as a true Horror / SF hybrid and agree with those who praise it for melding those two genres so successfully. The (giant) creature features of the '50s while containing horror elements are, in my estimation, much more closely aligned with the SF genre. By exploring the ramifications of man's dealings with radioactivity the engage in a genuine SF pursuit - extrapolation of technological change (the atom bomb) and its impact on society, as personified by the monsters that inhabit this sub-genre. The fact that they are cautionary tales further enhances their SF credentials. As Ray Bradbury famously said "I don't try to predict the future, I try to prevent it." - Walter.


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Posted August 01 2014 - 04:37 AM

I kept hearing report after report about how it was coming for its 60th (!) anniversary this year-- and yet, nothing so far. I'm glad I didn't sell my 2-disc DVD. 

These "reports" were all purely speculative. There has been no official announcement and, even if there was (i.e. POLLYANNA, THE ABSENT-MINDED PROFESSOR), I would consider it with a toaster-size grain of salt.



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Posted August 01 2014 - 10:19 AM

I came across this article where they discuss restoring this title.

They also talk about correcting the Cinemascope Mumps.

Using original on-set production and publicity photos for accurate sizing reference, the restoration team removed much of this distortion by digitally squeezing in the image .5%. Since the original camera negative of 20,000 Leagues was actually shot perf to perf in 2.66:1, this new restoration has gained 1.6mm of image on the left side and .25mm on the right side of the frame-all of which had heretofore been concealed by the mag track in original prints. This “mumps” correction enabled us to faithfully reconstruct the original 2.55:1 image as seen in first-run theaters during the 1954 and early 1955 theatrical engagements.

 

If I'm reading this correctly, they're taking the entire 2.66 negative, and squeezing it to 2.55, and then say it's how people saw it in 1954.

People in 1954 saw the movie with the mumps, I don't understand why studios feel they have to alter the film for today's audiences.


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Posted August 01 2014 - 11:28 AM

The mumps were never supposed to be there to begin with. You make it sound like its an intentional effect.



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Posted August 01 2014 - 11:43 AM

Yep, when does restoration go too far (the wires in War Of The Worlds?), but at least you could say they're trying, & putting some effort into it. There could still be a 60th anniversary release, maybe in a few months to catch the Christmas market,

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Posted August 01 2014 - 11:51 AM

I came across this article where they discuss restoring this title.

They also talk about correcting the Cinemascope Mumps.

 

If I'm reading this correctly, they're taking the entire 2.66 negative, and squeezing it to 2.55, and then say it's how people saw it in 1954.

People in 1954 saw the movie with the mumps, I don't understand why studios feel they have to alter the film for today's audiences.

 

I really don't like camera distortion, they didn't intentionally add that, it was just as good as they had at the time, i have no problem with them fixing camera distortion or removing wires that take you out of the film, they would have done it back then if they had the technology.  This is an example of technology being used to improve things, i say why not.


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Posted August 01 2014 - 12:06 PM

Back in 2011 we published a piece about the restoration work that went into Dumbo.  In it Disney mentioned that they had done a 4K scan off all their nitrate prints including 20,000 Leagues.  They fixed some of the visible wires on the squid scene.  Here is the full piece: http://www.hometheat...ir-film-library


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