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#1 of 22 OFFLINE   Gadjettman

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Posted October 08 2012 - 10:53 PM

I was looking to pick up this blu ray single on amazon.uk as I wanted this version of the film (dts also). The CR disc in the BOND 50 set is supposed to be region free, but Amazon UK says this standalone release is region 2/b. can anyone out there reconfirm this ?

#2 of 22 OFFLINE   Bob Cashill

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Posted October 09 2012 - 01:59 AM

All I can confirm is that the Bond 50 CR disc in the Amazon.co.uk box plays fine in my Region A unit.

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Posted October 09 2012 - 02:06 AM

I've been trying to find a picture of the backside Of the single blu ray disc to see if it has all regions Logo on it or not , no luck so far. http://amazon.co.uk/dp/B0090NAGMU

#4 of 22 OFFLINE   Gadjettman

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Posted October 11 2012 - 02:23 PM

I ordered the single BD UK Casino Royale disc. If it don't work in my PS3 ...I'll hang it in my car on the rear view mirror

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Posted October 22 2012 - 10:53 AM

Just received the UK Uncut version from Amazon.UK and the standalone 15 Rating ....is indeed Regions ABC....so it should indeed play in a Region 1 player.

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Posted October 24 2012 - 01:02 AM

So what's in the uncut version?
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Posted October 24 2012 - 01:39 AM

As far as i can tell...about 20 seconds of violence during the pre-credit Sequence...that was edited out during the theatrical Run (pg-13) and the current DVD and blu ray offerings here In North America

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Posted October 24 2012 - 01:44 AM

Not only the pre-credits, there was also cuts during the awesome staircase fight.

You have not seen this movie until you have seen it uncut (as it was shown in certain countries like France). It's awesome :)



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Posted October 24 2012 - 04:59 AM

I long ago imported the uncut version, and to be completely and totally honest - if you don't know what you're looking for, and by that I mean if you haven't either looked it up online or don't watch them back to back, I believe you won't really notice the difference. It's very, very minimal.

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Posted October 24 2012 - 05:49 AM

I had the Asia uncut DTS DVD from 2007 and It had this extra footage. I dont recall the extra stuff In the stairwell scene...but i watch for it when i spin The disc up over the weekend.

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Posted October 26 2012 - 03:11 AM

The big addition to the staircase fight I believe is that you see the falling body actually hit the ground. The theatrical version cuts out a handful of frames before the impact.

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Posted October 26 2012 - 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by MattAlbie60 

I long ago imported the uncut version, and to be completely and totally honest - if you don't know what you're looking for, and by that I mean if you haven't either looked it up online or don't watch them back to back, I believe you won't really notice the difference. It's very, very minimal.

I agree completely.


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Posted November 23 2012 - 12:09 PM

I long ago imported the uncut version, and to be completely and totally honest - if you don't know what you're looking for, and by that I mean if you haven't either looked it up online or don't watch them back to back, I believe you won't really notice the difference. It's very, very minimal.

I beg to differ. Before I had even seen the film (and knew of the US version being cut), clips from the uncut stairwell fight were appearing on UK TV shows as promotion and if those had been missing from the film in the cinema I'd have noticed. The cuts are made quite well, mostly, but they are noticable.

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Posted November 23 2012 - 09:32 PM

I long ago imported the uncut version, and to be completely and totally honest - if you don't know what you're looking for, and by that I mean if you haven't either looked it up online or don't watch them back to back, I believe you won't really notice the difference. It's very, very minimal.

Thank you. You have just saved me some money.

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Posted November 24 2012 - 05:42 AM

Thank you. You have just saved me some money.

The UK Blu-ray was only 7.97 on Amazon when I looked; cheapest uncut import you can get.

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Posted November 24 2012 - 12:49 PM

I long ago imported the uncut version, and to be completely and totally honest - if you don't know what you're looking for, and by that I mean if you haven't either looked it up online or don't watch them back to back, I believe you won't really notice the difference. It's very, very minimal.

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Posted November 24 2012 - 08:35 PM

Here's the list of cuts. I think it makes a HUGE difference in the tone of the film.


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US: The PG-13 rated US region 1 release was cut as follows

    [*] In the opening toilet fight, after Fisher falls back into the toilet cubicle, Bond’s first punch to Fisher’s face has been toned down by a change in edit point. In the uncut R3 disc, we see Bond in a close-up as he pins Fisher to the wall. Then we cut to a rear shot of Bond and Fisher, and we have six frames of Bond swinging his fist before it makes contact with Fisher’s head on the seventh frame. In the R1 version, the close-up of Bond is extended by six frames, and we see him actually throw the punch from this angle, only cutting to the rear shot of Bond and Fisher as the punch makes contact on the seventh frame. This lessens the focus on the impact, as it’s almost as if we don’t see the impact at all since it happens right on an edit point.
      [*] After Bond and Fisher crash through all the cubicles, Bond elbows Fisher in the face and then smashes one of the stall doors into his nose. In the R1 version, the door-smashing is cut.
      [*] As Bond and Fisher dive out of the cubicle and land on the floor, Bond gets to his feet and violently kicks Fisher right in the face. Fisher then picks up a bin and swings it at Bond just as Bond goes in for another kick. In the R1 version, Bond’s first heavy kick is cut, but the first half of his first kick to Fisher is spliced together with Bond’s second kick to the bin Fisher uses to block it. The effect in the cut version is that Bond goes in to kick Fisher, but his kick is blocked by Fisher swinging the bin. This edit in particular is quite jarring.
      [*] When Bond drags Fisher over to the sink in order to drown him, we cut to a low shot of Fisher screaming and flailing his arms around just before Bond forces his head forward towards the sink. In the R1 version, the first part of the shot has been removed, showing Fisher’s screaming and choking as Bond holds him round the neck. All that remains is a brief latter part of the shot, where Bond forces Fisher forward. A second or two later, there is a rather nasty jump in the musical score, whereby the soundtrack has had to be cut in order to account for the missing footage.
      [*] As Bond forces Fisher’s head into the sink, the immediate two shots after Bond smashes the mirror have been removed in the R1 version. We do not see a close-up of Bond’s face violently grimacing as he forces Fisher’s head into the sink below frame, and we do not see the next shot that follows of Fisher spluttering in the water. After this shot in the uncut R3 disc, we cut back to a close-up of Bond. This second shot of Bond is the first shot we see in the R1 version after the mirror is smashed. The sounds of Fisher dying have also been reduced and crossfaded to mask the sound of him spluttering underwater.
      [*] Fisher’s death has been further reduced in the R1 version. The sole shot of Fisher’s head being held under the water in the following lengthily shot of Bond continuing to hold Fisher’s head under the water have both been shortened through the addition of alternate footage that shows Fisher’s legs kicking. This is not seen in the R3 disc. In the original uncut version, we have the following sequence of shots:

    a) Bond smashes the mirror
    b) Close-up of Bond violently forcing Fisher’s head into the water below frame
    c) Close-up of Fisher spluttering in the water
    d) Second close-up of Bond
    e) Second shot of Fisher’s head in the water
    f) Third close-up of Bond as Fisher dies off-screen and Bond lets go

    However, in the cut R1 version we have the following:

    a) Bond smashes the mirror
    d) Second close-up of Bond holding Fisher under the water below frame
    e) First part of the second shot of Fisher under the water
    -) Shot of Fisher’s legs kicking on the floor
    f) Latter part of the third close-up of Bond as Fisher dies off-screen and Bond lets go

    In other words, the new shot of Fisher’s legs kicking has been inserted to cover the latter part of shot E and the first part of shot F, in order to reduce the focus on Fisher’s drowning in the sink.
      [*] In the stairwell fight, after Obanno's bodyguard is kicked over the staircase, the high shot of him hitting the ground below and dying upon impact has been removed from the R1 disc. Instead, the preceding shot of the fight on the stairs is held slightly longer to cover up the missing footage. In the uncut version, this wide shot is split in two, with the bodyguard hitting the floor breaking the shot. However, due to the wide shot being held longer in the R1 version, it is now ahead of the uncut print.
      [*] As a result of this, the R1 is slightly under running, so the immediate next shot -- a brief close-up of Obanno kicking Bond in the stomach -- has been replaced with a different, slightly longer take. In the uncut version, the shot lasts around 30 frames. In the R1 version the alternate shot lasts around 35 frames.
      [*] After this, Bond throwing Obanno’s head through a glass window has been removed from the R1 version.
      [*] Immediately after, Obanno swiping at Bond with his machete has also been removed. The R1 resumes with Bond throwing Obanno into a wall. The first half of Bond throwing Obanno towards the window has been edited together with this second throwing of Obanno towards the wall (minus the first seven frames of the shot), so the PG-13 version makes it look like Bond has simply grabbed Obanno and thrown him into the wall.
      [*] After Obanno is flipped onto his back, Vesper makes a run for it but Obanno grabs her leg and causes her to stumble. The R1 version removes this, resuming on a close-up of Bond getting to his feet.
      [*] After Vesper tries to open the emergency exit, the R1 version misses a brief wide-shot of Bond and Obanno struggling.
      [*] The next shot of Bond kicking Obanno in the thigh and striking him hard in the face causing him to reel backwards is also missing.
      [*] Additionally, the next shot of Bond throwing himself at Obanno and Obanno shoving Bond straight back into the wall behind him has also been removed from the R1 version. This shot also shows Bond raising his elbow up to strike Obanno in the back.
      [*] Immediately after this, the next close-up of Bond elbowing Obanno hard in the back has been trimmed to remove the first of Bond’s two heavy blows. The cut version goes from Vesper trying to open the door, to the second part of the shot of Bond hitting Obanno a second time. As a result, the R1 version makes it look like Bond only elbows Obanno once.
      [*] Following the shot of Vesper turning around to look at Bond and Obanno on the floor, the first five frames of Bond with his arm around Obanno’s neck yanking him backwards have been cut from the R1 version.
      [*] Shortly after, the uncut version shows two shots of Obanno’s legs kicking as Bond chokes him. The second of these shots has been cut from the R1 version.
      [*] After we have cut back to Obanno’s face, the uncut version then shows a shot of Obanno’s hand frantically trying to reach for the gun on the floor. The R1 version removes this shot.
      [*] The immediate next shot of Bond and Obanno struggling has also been cut from the R1 version.
      [*] Following on from this, a second shot of Obanno’s hand trying to reach for the gun has been removed. The R1 version resumes on a close-up of Bond’s face as he chokes Obanno.
      [*] After we see Obanno’s hands fall from around Bond’s face, approximately 31 frames have been removed from the beginning of the next shot of Obanno’s feet kicking on the floor in the R1 version.
      [*] Following that, we cut to Vesper looking on in fright. Right after this shot, the uncut version cuts back to Obanno’s face as he breathes his last breath and dies in Bond’s grip. The edited R1 version instead cuts back to the shot of Obanno’s feet on the floor as they cease kicking, resuming on the latter half of the close-up of Obanno’s face after he has died.
      [*] As Bond gets to his feet, the uncut version cuts to a close-up of Obanno’s dead and bloodied face, before cutting to a shot of Vesper. In the R1 version, the close-up of Obanno is removed and we cut straight to Vesper’s shot.
      [*] Following this shot, to fill in screen time lost by the last cut, the proceeding shot of Bond is slightly extended in the R1 version to show him standing looking at Vesper before walking over to her. It looks to be footage shot before the director called ‘action’, as it appears Daniel Craig is waiting for his cue and makes the editing appear sloppy. In the film world, it makes Bond’s thought processes appear slow, which of course is not the case. It also makes the editing look a little sloppy.


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Posted November 25 2012 - 12:03 AM

With respect, all it boils down to is making two fight sequences in the movie slightly more graphic, which does not make a huge difference to the tone of the film. I have the Australian BD of the movie which is uncut, and reading through that list, nothing there really makes me think the cut version would be any worse. A difference of several seconds of film, in very fast moving fight scenes.

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Posted November 25 2012 - 11:49 AM

Yeah, don't be fooled by how long that list is. We're talking SECONDS. In many cases, we're talking about a few trimmed frames. If you like the uncut version better, that's one thing. But to say that it drastically alters the tone of the film is, in my opinion, untrue.

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Posted November 26 2012 - 03:13 PM

Keep in mind though that the U.K. version has the torture scene cut by a few shots, so where you gain in some scenes you will lose in others... Sent from my iPad




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