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#1 of 10 NY2LA

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Posted June 06 2012 - 03:14 PM

I see people trying to advocate for studios by trying to downplay the frequency of things we media buyers find annoying on discs we pay money for. It seems one solution to that would be to simply NAME specific discs that have the annoying and unpopular things, such as: -FORCED PLAYBACK Any content that our ability to bypass - by hitting menu, skip, etc. - has been disabled. -FORCED PLAYBACK OF ALL WARNINGS, FBI & DISCLAIMERS, ETC at STARTUP -FORCED WARNINGS ATTACHED TO THE FEATURE Once we press play, this should call up the FEATURE and the Feature only. Acknowledging they have to be on the disc somewhere, the FBI and DISCLAIMER warnings should be connected to the startup of the disc, rather than playing back at the beginning of the feature. -OBNOXIOUS JARRING PSA VIDEOS ABOUT PIRACY You pop in a nice pleasant vintage musical and the first thing you hear is this jarring hard-rock noise screaming about piracy. -FORCED PLAYBACK OF TRAILERS or PROMOS After sitting through the warnings and disclaimers, and the typically slow load time of Blu Ray discs, as if that's not enough, we're stuck watching trailers for their latest movies, and these vanity titles for the studio, their useless branding of Blu Ray or DVD, EVERY TIME we play the disc, and these trailers do not tend to age very well. Trailers can be entertaining as an OPTION - IF they are RELATED - in theme or genre or era - to the FEATURE, but NEVER should they be FORCED. If they are forced, they are not features but advertising, and practically no one likes to be a captive audience. Make your trailers entertaining and give us an option, then you stand a better chance of us liking the movie you're plugging, force us to watch a crappy ad, and we can almost guarantee you will turn a lot of people off. - FORCED PLAYBACK OF STUDIO LOGOS and VANITY CARDS Added titles to remind us of what studio's content we are watching are also unnecessary and do not enamor the viewer to that studio. Their opening logo sequences at the beginning of a movie have been stretched longer and longer in the past 20 years, now joined by equally drawn out vanity titles for numerous production companies, so these days the time between loading a disc and the actual beginning of the movie itself can be irritatingly long. Instead of the desired effect - to impress us that the content came from whomever, The more we are forced to watch this self-promotion, the less we end up liking that studio or production company. -FORCED PLAYBACK OF BRANDED FEATURES Certain studios insist on branding things like BluRay, DVD, 3D, and "Home Theatre" sound remixes, then force us to watch them every time we press play. I'll wager these companies did not invent this technology, it's all really common, therefore the offenders are just WASTING OUR TIME and accomplishing the opposite of their desired effect - rather than impress us, these timewasters just piss us off. -LONG, DRAWN OUT MENU INTRODUCTIONS One example comes to mind; a fade in on a forest, as the view tracks slowly through the trees, to a clearing, where there is a house, where we slowly approach and the door opens, where we enter a room, where we look around the room, where we see a table, and on the table is a book, we slowly approach the book, which then opens and flips a few pages... where the menu finally appears! This may seem "magical" to a kid the very first time, but after being forced through it every time you press menu or load the disc, it gets old really fast. -ENDLESSLY REPETITIVE MUSIC LOOP ON MENUS We may have popped in the disc in advance of our planed viewing time, (especially to let it play through all the forced content) and the short little loop of music playing endlessly, like anything else we have to experience repeatedly, becomes as popular as those obnoxious commercial jingles we can't get out of our heads. Unimaginative disc authors usually choose music from the opening credits, but even it it's just background music later on in the film, if we are overexposed to it, by the time it comes up in the actual film it's become tiresome. Options: Some companies have kindly limited the number of times such things play before the menu becomes muted. Others just politely leave us in silence with a patiently waiting menu. -MISSING MENUS Since Blu Ray seems to have added a pop-up menu as an option in its format - which can be useful if you want to look for content while viewing something - some discs have done away with traditional menus entirely, so when you pop in the disc, after all the forced content, the movie just starts. But what if your intent this time was to look at the supplements? Well in that case you have to have the distraction of the movie playing in front of you while you locate, and navigate through the little pop up menus to what you actually want to see. You might be able to pause the movie long enough to find the desired feature, but the minute your feature is done, you're right back in the movie whether you want to be or not. It's not as if creating a basic menu is all that costly or hard. It's much better just to have something waiting for our command instead of taking control and choices away from us. -LIMITED MENUS WITH TINY TYPE Personally I have to wonder what makes Blu Ray authors assume everyone with a Blu Ray player has a ten foot screen, is sitting closely to a huge monitor, or has exceptional distance vision. I'm amazed at the tendency to list ALL the features in dictionary-size type on ONE screen, rather than the ability to read the titles easily and page through as many menus as needed to list those titles in easily readable size. -LACK OF "PLAY ALL" CHOICES Let's say you have a list of episodes, related features, deleted scenes, trailers, featurettes, making ofs, etc. The easier you make it for us to play them, the more often we will use them. Especially having a disc of TV episodes where we get stuck back at the menu inbetween, can become so tiresome that we may not play that disc much. With me a good example is Season One of the Mary Tyler Moore show. Sometimes you're doing other things and have the disc playing in the background. Imagine having a CD that stops after every song and you get the idea. On the other hand, check out how cool the rare option to play a complete show - where the movie is preceded by cartoons and shorts - can be. The purpose of this thread is not to debate whether these things are necessary, whether you happen to like them, or how often you feel they occur, it is to simply document exactly where these things DO occur. There will be a separate thread to list features we LIKE to find on discs - Some rare examples have surfaced where someone authored the disc resourcefully and imaginatively to give us refreshing options, and we will encourage them on the Favorite Features thread, so no need to put that here. Please name the movie TITLE, the type of disc, (DVD, Blu Ray, which release, etc.) Studio if you wish, and list the offending items found there, and where/how they appear. This applies to previous editions as well as current releases.

#2 of 10 NY2LA

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Posted June 07 2012 - 08:44 PM

I have the Disney TOY STORY 10 disc Blu Ray set that comes in the toy box shaped case with slotted foam insert. -All three movies play the FBI warning and Disney's name branding of Blu Ray as soon as you press play. Both cannot be skipped, just fast forwarded. I'd much prefer to get the warnings out of the way when the disc loads, rather than delay the viewing experience when I press Play. -it seems these discs, or the player, do not support remembering where you left off in the movie. -They repetitively play the same loop of music on the menu. The menus branch out of the same screen, so by the time you have chosen whatever feature, or features you want to watch, you're pretty sick of that music. -There are many submenus of supplemental featurettes that do not have a "Play All" option. -The box is cute, but impractical, as it's not easy to see and retrieve the disc you want, or to put them back correctly. I've been looking around for more conventional packaging. I have other box sets that more appealingly packed the actual discs in tray-based housing that fits on a shelf with the other discs. This set marks the SIXTH time I have bought TS1. (including VHS and LD box) The Fourth time for TS2. I still have the 2 previous DVD sets. (ultimate Toy Box and Anniversary versions) This box gave me digital copies of all 3 movies which is nice, but included yet another DVD of each film which is the last thing I need. Not sure how much this adds to the price, but I'd much prefer a choice to avoid the extra DVDs. I did hold off for a long time on this set until it was heavily discounted. I think shortly after I bought this, Disney came out with another repackaging that housed the discs in something shelf-ready and left out the superfluous DVDS. Pixar, being populated with the very best kind of creative techno-geeks, used to consistently put out the coolest special editions of their movies, as they themselves were in their target audience. I see less and less of their creative and user-friendly influence year after year. I wonder a lot just what cool supplements (including printed matter) I no longer have or reach for from previous editions.

#3 of 10 Matthew Burdette

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Posted June 09 2012 - 07:10 AM

Pick any WWE DVD or Blu-Ray and you get a "Don't Try this at home" thing that's UNSKIPPABLE
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Posted June 11 2012 - 08:24 AM

T2-Skynet Edition. It is the longest. Loading blu that I own. And it checks for internet and when it doesn't find it, the user has to give a response before it continues. Which means you you can't start it ahead of time to get to the main menu. Very user unfriendly.
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Posted June 11 2012 - 08:36 AM

Universal's BACK TO THE FUTURE trilogy - all three movies have all the forced disclaimers and warnings attached the head of the films, PLUS a long vanity logo for Universal Video, right before Uni's regular logo on the movie. It's about a full minute between pressing play and the actual movie coming up.

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Posted June 11 2012 - 08:53 AM

Star Trek 2009 from Paramount has forced previews. You can skip to the next preview but you can only get to the menu after you have chapter skipped through all the previews, which includes a TV show that is now cancelled (annoying). If you press the menu button during the previews you get the red circle with slash.

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Posted June 11 2012 - 10:06 AM

To be honest I think you'd be better off asking how many well-authored discs there are out there. UOPs have always driven me nuts, both as a consumer and as a reviewer over the years. I encountered one this afternoon while discussing the sound mixes on the 30th Anniversary DVD of Jaws. I was demonstrating the climax of the movie with the substitute sound effect for the 5.1 audio mix, then tried to switch to the 2.0 original mono track. Lock Out. I had to go to the menu, select Languages, select the audio track and then go back to the menu and press play. Without the UOP, I could have just pressed the audio button on the remote and switched instantly to the track. I've known discs where the idiot who did the authoring has put UOPs on every function other than the Menu call. Don't get me started on forced logos, trailers, warnings and the like. I had to double-dip my Jeeves and Wooster collection because I got to the point where I couldn't watch the show because of that thumping rock-track "You Wouldn't Steal A Handbag" piracy warning ITV DVD stuck on its discs. Here in the UK it's always been a bonus to be able to multi-region a player. To be honest I'd rather be able to switch off UOPs and use the disc the way I want to, not the way some cack-handed disc authoring house thinks I should.
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Posted June 11 2012 - 10:19 AM

To be honest I think you'd be better off asking how many well-authored discs there are out there.

Of course I hear what you're saying, but it's just a bit too easy for a studio to deny any problem with a disc when there is not a specific reference to it. Kinda like you have to housebreak dogs by catching them at it... We do have another forum for listing the good things.

UOPs have always driven me nuts, both as a consumer and as a reviewer over the years. I encountered one this afternoon while discussing the sound mixes on the 30th Anniversary DVD of Jaws. I was demonstrating the climax of the movie with the substitute sound effect for the 5.1 audio mix, then tried to switch to the 2.0 original mono track. Lock Out. I had to go to the menu, select Languages, select the audio track and then go back to the menu and press play. Without the UOP, I could have just pressed the audio button on the remote and switched instantly to the track. I've known discs where the idiot who did the authoring has put UOPs on every function other than the Menu call. Don't get me started on forced logos, trailers, warnings and the like. I had to double-dip my Jeeves and Wooster collection because I got to the point where I couldn't watch the show because of that thumping rock-track "You Wouldn't Steal A Handbag" piracy warning ITV DVD stuck on its discs. Here in the UK it's always been a bonus to be able to multi-region a player. To be honest I'd rather be able to switch off UOPs and use the disc the way I want to, not the way some cack-handed disc authoring house thinks I should.

What you wrote was exactly what I was hoping for - I agree with your points, especially the obnoxious hard rock guilt trip they put on things like The Sound of Music, and the way they go crazy taking away all our options for no reason... You expressed it well and I'd like to hear the same thing for any disc you care to name. Thanks!

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Posted June 11 2012 - 10:23 AM

I do want to say I think Warner's does a good job in this regard. The warnings are always at the end of the film. The blu-ray of NORTH BY NORTHWEST starts right off with the movie. Love that! But even when there has been previews and such, I have always been able to access the menu on a Warner's disc, change the sound track, etc.

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Posted June 11 2012 - 10:27 AM

I do want to say I think Warner's does a good job in this regard. The warnings are always at the end of the film. The blu-ray of NORTH BY NORTHWEST starts right off with the movie. Love that! But even when there has been previews and such, I have always been able to access the menu on a Warner's disc, change the sound track, etc.

Okay, was this on ALL WB discs, or more with catalog titles? Remember we have a companion thread to this one to encourage good authoring and features, and please feel free to name as many specific titles as you want, thanks. I did notice Warners finally recently updated that ancient old VHS warning crawl that's come at the end of every movie since the dawn of VHS.