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#1 of 21 WadeM

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Posted March 28 2012 - 01:37 PM

First of all, it's great that these cartoons were released earlier this month! It's good to have them available. I have a question about what's going on in some screenshots. See how the lines disappear? Is this DNR, or could it be something else? Any educated input would be welcome. Thanks. (BTW, I don't mean this as a complaint, per se, but a serious question...I wouldn't doubt that these materials were in bad shape or hard to find, etc.) http://static.hometh...um.com/imgrepo/ http://static.hometh...um.com/imgrepo/ http://static.hometh...um.com/imgrepo/ http://static.hometh...um.com/imgrepo/

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Posted March 28 2012 - 04:02 PM

Mark Arnold, who was a consultant on the set, denies DVNR was used. I disagree, I think it clearly was. Whether Shout Factory or Classic Media did it is another question. I have mixed feelings about this collection. Very nice to have this stuff, but it was clearly a rush job and the compilers dropped the ball in many ways. All the Tennessee Tuxedo cartoons themselves are present and accounted for (although some have the title cards missing) but the rest of the elements of the show are scattershot. They also released a so-called Underdog complete series, which does include all the Underdog cartoons -- but again, some have replaced title cards from the late 1990s/early 2000s and other minor edits. The Underdog set at least attempts to put the shows back into something resembling their original half-hour format, but it's clear the compilers were using a lot of guesswork as far as what went where (Tooter Turtle, for instance, was not part of the Underdog show). I can't complain as long as all the cartoons are there, but they aren't. Go Go Gophers and Commander McBragg are all present and accounted for, but the rest of the characters -- King & Odie, Tooter Turtle, Hunter, Klondike Kat -- are just sampled and more or less used as filler. What's worse, The King & Odie cartoons were two-part cliffhangers and the ones that are included sometimes include both halves of a story, but sometimes only one. (And in at least one case, both halves are included but separated from one another with other cartoons in between.) As far as what IS there, I'd rather have it than not have it. But I would rather have had them with original titles, no edits, no PAL speedup issues, no DVNR, and with all the cartoons from the various characters included. I'm not too concerned about not having them in the original broadcast order, etc., because repetition was inherent in all these shows. The King & Odie, Hunter and Tooter Turtle were all part of "King Leonardo And His Short Subjects" with new episodes of the first two created for the first season of "Tennessee Tuxedo And His Tales." After that it gets murky. When "The Underdog Show" premiered, reruns of The Hunter (both from KL&HSS and TT&HT) moved over there and Tooter Turtle repeats were added to "Tennessee Tuxedo." So just the last bunch of Hunters and King & Odies were actually produced for TT&HT, but ultimately, all the cartoons of all three characters from KL&HSS ended up there (or on Underdog) during its run -- therefore, they were all fair game for inclusion on these two sets. They gave it the old college try, but to include only one half of a two-parter indicates someone was severely asleep at the switch. I don't want to be too rough on them since I know they ran into a number of issues trying to put these sets together, and I am very glad to have at least a representative collection of some of my favorite cartoons in a couple of pretty decent DVD sets. (I know they had issues because I sent them a few things -- some cartoons had no audio, etc. and I was glad to be able to help.) But I wish they'd taken more time to get all the elements together -- I am a big fan of these cartoons and I would have gladly waited six months or a year if it would have made these sets better. Oh well.

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Posted March 28 2012 - 06:03 PM

I hope they release King Leonardo and his Short Subjects. I will take what I can get.
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Posted March 29 2012 - 12:54 AM



Originally Posted by Mark Y 

Mark Arnold, who was a consultant on the set, denies DVNR was used. I disagree, I think it clearly was. Whether Shout Factory or Classic Media did it is another question.
I have mixed feelings about this collection. Very nice to have this stuff, but it was clearly a rush job and the compilers dropped the ball in many ways. All the Tennessee Tuxedo cartoons themselves are present and accounted for (although some have the title cards missing) but the rest of the elements of the show are scattershot. They also released a so-called Underdog complete series, which does include all the Underdog cartoons -- but again, some have replaced title cards from the late 1990s/early 2000s and other minor edits. The Underdog set at least attempts to put the shows back into something resembling their original half-hour format, but it's clear the compilers were using a lot of guesswork as far as what went where (Tooter Turtle, for instance, was not part of the Underdog show). I can't complain as long as all the cartoons are there, but they aren't. Go Go Gophers and Commander McBragg are all present and accounted for, but the rest of the characters -- King & Odie, Tooter Turtle, Hunter, Klondike Kat -- are just sampled and more or less used as filler. What's worse, The King & Odie cartoons were two-part cliffhangers and the ones that are included sometimes include both halves of a story, but sometimes only one. (And in at least one case, both halves are included but separated from one another with other cartoons in between.) As far as what IS there, I'd rather have it than not have it. But I would rather have had them with original titles, no edits, no PAL speedup issues, no DVNR, and with all the cartoons from the various characters included.
I'm not too concerned about not having them in the original broadcast order, etc., because repetition was inherent in all these shows. The King & Odie, Hunter and Tooter Turtle were all part of "King Leonardo And His Short Subjects" with new episodes of the first two created for the first season of "Tennessee Tuxedo And His Tales." After that it gets murky. When "The Underdog Show" premiered, reruns of The Hunter (both from KL&HSS and TT&HT) moved over there and Tooter Turtle repeats were added to "Tennessee Tuxedo." So just the last bunch of Hunters and King & Odies were actually produced for TT&HT, but ultimately, all the cartoons of all three characters from KL&HSS ended up there (or on Underdog) during its run -- therefore, they were all fair game for inclusion on these two sets.
They gave it the old college try, but to include only one half of a two-parter indicates someone was severely asleep at the switch.
I don't want to be too rough on them since I know they ran into a number of issues trying to put these sets together, and I am very glad to have at least a representative collection of some of my favorite cartoons in a couple of pretty decent DVD sets. (I know they had issues because I sent them a few things -- some cartoons had no audio, etc. and I was glad to be able to help.) But I wish they'd taken more time to get all the elements together -- I am a big fan of these cartoons and I would have gladly waited six months or a year if it would have made these sets better. Oh well.


I agree. The Underdog set is better prepared than the Tennessee set. There are several errors in the Tennessee booklet in the listing of the cartoons. Also, the order in which the cartoons are presented is strange and doesn't seem to make sense. Yet, we get complete sets of Underdog, Commander McBragg, Go Go Gophers and Tennessee Tuxedo which is a vast improvement over the previous piecemeal releases. I just wish they would have taken a little more time to compile the Tennessee set as it could have made a big difference.




Originally Posted by Tory 

I hope they release King Leonardo and his Short Subjects. I will take what I can get.


Same here. I hope we get a complete King Leonardo set which includes the remaining unreleased Tooter Turtle, Hunter and Klondike Kat cartoons.




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Posted March 29 2012 - 01:12 AM

I hope they release King Leonardo and his Short Subjects. I will take what I can get.

I'd like to see a proper King Leonardo set released, but my guess would be that these two sets are it. I'd love to be wrong about that, though. Here's what's been released from the King Leonardo show (on the new Tennessee Tuxedo set unless stated otherwise): The King And Odie #1 (Riches To Rags) (Part 1 of 2) -- not on the new set, but included on previous "Underdog Chronicles" DVD (replaced title cards) #2 (Nose For The Noose) (Part 2 of 2) -- both on the new Tuxedo set and "Underdog Chronicles" #23 (Sticky Stuff) (Part 1 of 2) -- both on the new set and "Ultimate Underdog Vol. 1" #24 (Am I Glue) (Part 2 of 2) -- not on the new set, but included on "Ultimate Underdog Vol. 1" #25 (Double Trouble) (Part 1 of 2) -- both on the new set and "Ultimate Underdog Vol. 2" #26 (Switcheroo Ruler) (Part 2 of 2) -- not on the new set, but included on "Ultimate Underdog Vol. 2" (I think I see a pattern here) #28 (Home Neat Home) (Part 2 of 2) -- the first half, #27 (The Legend Of Leonardo The Neat) is MIA #32 (Bats In The Ballpark) (Part 2 of 2) -- the first half, #31 (Debased Ball) is MIA #42 (Black Is White) (Part 2 of 2) -- the first half, #41 (The Sport Of Kings) is MIA #45 (Lead Foot Leonardo (Part 1 of 2) -- the second half, #46 (The Rat Race) is MIA #53 (Long Laugh Leonardo) (Part 1 of 2) #54 (He Who Laughs Last) (Part 2 of 2) -- YAY!!! #55 (East Side, West Side) (Part 1 of 2) -- the second half, #56 (Coney Island Calamity) is MIA #57 (An Ode In Code) (Part 1 of 2) #58 (Two Beneath The Mast) (Part 2 of 2) -- both present, but Part 2 plays first, Part 1 shows up further down the disc #59 (Hip Hip Hypnosis) (Part 1 of 2) #60 (Odie Hit The Roadie) (Part 2 of 2) -- see above #61 (Hunting A Hobby) (Part 1 of 2) #62 (Teeing Off) (Part 2 of 2) #63 (Smarty Gras) (Part 1 of 2) -- the second half, #64 (Bayou Blues) is MIA #68 (My Vine Is Your Vine) (Part 2 of 2) -- the first half, #67 (Back To Nature) is MIA #69 (The Tourist Trade) (Part 1 of 2) -- the second half, #70 (Bye Bye Bicycle) is MIA #77 (Fortune Feller) (Part 1 of 2) #78 (Wild And Wobbly) (Part 2 of 2) (the following cartoons were not part of "King Leonardo And His Short Subjects" but are from the first season of "Tennessee Tuxedo And His Tales" and were later syndicated as part of "Dudley Do Right And Friends") #79 (Introducing Mr. Mad) (Part 1 of 2) #80 (Falling Asleep) (Part 2 of 2) #83 (Left Alone Leonardo) (Part 1 of 2) #84 (A Tour De Farce) (Part 2 of 2) #85 (Get 'Em Up Scout) (Part 1 of 2) -- the second half, #86 (The King Camps Out) is MIA #87 (Offensive Defensive) (Part 1 of 2) #88 (A Long, Long Trail A-Binding) (Part 2 of 2) #90 (Handcar Heroes) (Part 2 of 2) -- the first half, #90 (Treasure Train) is MIA #91 (Honey Hungry) (Part 1 of 2) -- the second half, #92 (Bye Bye Bees) is missing, with a disclaimer that they couldn't locate the soundtrack #93 (The Royal Race) (Part 1 of 2) #94 (The Shifty Sail) (Part 2 of 2) #99 (Royal Rodeo) (Part 1 of 2) #100 (Ride 'Em Cowboy) (Part 2 of 2) #101 (S.O. Essex Calling) (Part 1 of 4) #102 (The Big Falling Out) (Part 2 of 4) #103 (Long Day's Journey Into Fright) (Part 3 of 4) #104 (Making A Monkey Shine) (Part 4 of 4) -- good job, a four-parter and they're all there! The Hunter #1 (Brookloined Bridge) #2 (Counterfeit Wants) #3 (Haunted Hunter) #4 (Fort Knox Fox) #5 (Stealing A March) #6 (Horn-A-Plenty) #19 (Girl Friday) -- not on the new set, but included on "Ultimate Underdog Vol. 3" #22 (Frankfurter Fix) -- on the new Underdog Complete Collection #24 (Fancy Fencing) #25 (Raquet Racket) #26 (Seeing Stars) #27 (The Elevator Escapade) #28 (Hula Hoop Havoc) -- this one is on both the new Tuxedo and Underdog sets #29 (The Counterfeit Newspaper Caper) #30 (Diamond Dither) #33 (Peek-A-Boo Pyramids) #35 (TV Terror) #36 (Bye Bye Bell) #37 (Time Marches Out) #38 (Fox's Foul Play) #39 (Bow Wow Blues) (the following cartoons were not part of "King Leonardo And His Short Subjects" but are from the first season of "Tennessee Tuxedo And His Tales" and were later syndicated as part of "Dudley Do Right And Friends") #41 (The Bank Dicks) #42 (Eye On The Ball) #43 (Breakout At Breakrock) #44 (Getting The Business) #45 (An Uncommon Cold) #47 (Goofy Guarding) #49 (Under The Spreading Treasure Tree) #54 (Under Par) #55 (Chew Gum Charlie) #56 (Using The Old Bean) #57 (The Case Of The Hunted Hunter) #58 (The Purloind Piano Puzzle) #62 (Two For The Turkey Trot) #63 (Captain Horatio Hunter) (Part 1 of 2) #64 (The Horn Of The Lone Hunter) (Part 2 of 2) Tooter Turtle #2 (Tailspin Tooter or Plane Failure) (Title missing) #4 (Highway Petrol or Road Block-Head) #5 (Mish-Mash-Mush or Panting For Gold) -- on the new Underdog Complete Collection #8 (Kink Of Swat or Babe Rube) -- on the new Underdog Complete Collection #9 (One Trillion B.C. or Dinosaur Dope) #10 (Olimping Champion or Weak-Greek) (Silent title) #11 (Stuper Man or Muscle Bounder) (Silent title) #12 (Buffaloed Bill or Custard's Last Stand) -- on the new Underdog Complete Collection #14 (Robin Hoodwink or Thimple Thief) (Silent title) #15 (Steamboat Stupe or Captains Outrageous) (Silent title) #16 (Souse Painter or Brush-Boob) (Silent title) #18 (Quarterback Hack or Pigskinned) -- on the new Underdog Complete Collection #19 (Drafthead or Overwhere?) -- on the new Underdog Complete Collection #23 (Sky Diver or Jump, Jerk, Jump!) #24 (Tuesday Turtle or Private Pie) -- on the new Underdog Complete Collection #25 (Snafu Safari or Trackdown Turtle) -- on the new Underdog Complete Collection #26 (Anti-Arctic or North Pole Nuisance) -- on the new Underdog Complete Collection #27 (The Master Builder or Rivet Riot) -- on the new Underdog Complete Collection #28 (Taxi Turtle or My Flag is Down) -- on the new Underdog Complete Collection #29 (Canned Camera or Peek-A-Boob) #30 (Muddled Mountie or One, Two, Buckle My Snowshoe) -- on the new Underdog Complete Collection #31 (Duck Haunter or Decoy Drip) -- on the new Underdog Complete Collection #32 (Bull Fright or Olay Down) #33 (News Nuisance or Sub Scribe) -- not on the new set, but included on "Ultimate Underdog Vol. 1" #36 (Anchors Awry or nautical Nut) -- not on the new set, but included on "Ultimate Underdog Vol. 2" #37 (Vaudevillian or Song And Dunce Man) -- not on the new set, but included on "Ultimate Underdog Vol. 3" #38 (Road And Reeling or Field And Scream) -- not on the new set, but included on "Ultimate Underdog Vol. 1" The following are not included on the new DVD sets, but have disclaimers stating the soundtracks couldn't be located (all are currently in syndication): The Hunter #21 (Statue Of Liberty Play) The Hunter #31 (Grand Canyon Caper) The Hunter #34 (Lincoln Tunnel Caper) The Hunter #48 (Big Birthday Blast) The Hunter #59 (The Record Racket) Tooter Turtle #7 (The Unteachables or The Lawless Years)

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Posted March 29 2012 - 01:29 AM

I agree. The Underdog set is better prepared than the Tennessee set. There are several errors in the Tennessee booklet in the listing of the cartoons. Also, the order in which the cartoons are presented is strange and doesn't seem to make sense. Yet, we get complete sets of Underdog, Commander McBragg, Go Go Gophers and Tennessee Tuxedo which is a vast improvement over the previous piecemeal releases. I just wish they would have taken a little more time to compile the Tennessee set as it could have made a big difference. Same here. I hope we get a complete King Leonardo set which includes the remaining unreleased Tooter Turtle, Hunter and Klondike Kat cartoons.

Here's a question I still can't answer definitively. Where did "Klondike Kat" originally appear? It wasn't on "King Leonardo." I've seen references in books (repeated on various websites) that he was part of "Tennessee Tuxedo," but there are numerous "collector network film prints" of the Tuxedo show circulating and Klondike Kat isn't in any of them. I know Klondike was part of "The Beagles" (along with repeats of The King & Odie) -- could that have been where Klondike made his debut? (Just to muddy it up, Klondike is part of the syndicated Underdog Show.) If they wanted to release Klondike along with King Leonardo, that would be fine with me as long as they all come out. I'd love to see The Beagles also -- there are online sources stating that series was lost, but that ultimately turned out to not be true. (The masters exist, but the picture portion and the soundtracks are separate, which as we've seen, turned out to be an occasional problem with some of the other cartoons on the two new DVD sets.)

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Posted March 29 2012 - 01:29 AM

Mark Arnold, who was a consultant on the set, denies DVNR was used. I disagree, I think it clearly was. Whether Shout Factory or Classic Media did it is another question. I have mixed feelings about this collection. They gave it the old college try, but to include only one half of a two-parter indicates someone was severely asleep at the switch. I don't want to be too rough on them since I know they ran into a number of issues trying to put these sets together, and I am very glad to have at least a representative collection of some of my favorite cartoons in a couple of pretty decent DVD sets. (I know they had issues because I sent them a few things -- some cartoons had no audio, etc. and I was glad to be able to help.) But I wish they'd taken more time to get all the elements together -- I am a big fan of these cartoons and I would have gladly waited six months or a year if it would have made these sets better. Oh well.

Well, it's great that you helped out! Including 1/2 of a two-parter is indeed strange and unfortunate. My guess was noise reduction, but I wasn't sure if it could be something else--or maybe it was Classic Media's fault?? I figured that they did have big issues getting this set together and I'm sure they don't have the big budget that someone like WB would have, so I figured there'd be some issues. Thanks for the input.

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Posted March 29 2012 - 02:16 AM



Originally Posted by Mark Y 


Here's a question I still can't answer definitively. Where did "Klondike Kat" originally appear? It wasn't on "King Leonardo." I've seen references in books (repeated on various websites) that he was part of "Tennessee Tuxedo," but there are numerous "collector network film prints" of the Tuxedo show circulating and Klondike Kat isn't in any of them. I know Klondike was part of "The Beagles" (along with repeats of The King & Odie) -- could that have been where Klondike made his debut? (Just to muddy it up, Klondike is part of the syndicated Underdog Show.)
If they wanted to release Klondike along with King Leonardo, that would be fine with me as long as they all come out. I'd love to see The Beagles also -- there are online sources stating that series was lost, but that ultimately turned out to not be true. (The masters exist, but the picture portion and the soundtracks are separate, which as we've seen, turned out to be an occasional problem with some of the other cartoons on the two new DVD sets.)




I don't know about Klondike Kat. These supporting cartoons of Total Television have been shuffled around over the years, but I am guessing Klondike Kat would have been out before The Beagles.


From what I understand, all of the Total Television cartoons exist and none are lost. I know the odds are probably against a King Leonardo set, but I can hope.


By the way, thanks for the list, Mark Y.



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Posted March 29 2012 - 03:24 AM

I think I heard that King Leonardo and the other supporting segments are getting their own releases.



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Posted March 29 2012 - 03:58 AM



Originally Posted by eric scott richard 

I think I heard that King Leonardo and the other supporting segments are getting their own releases.


Do you remember where you heard that? Shout has been working on the Underdog and Tennessee sets and have now released them. It would be the ideal time to finish work on the remaining Total Television library and release it.




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Posted March 29 2012 - 10:33 AM

I believe Mark Arnold has said the opposite, that there is no intention to release a King Leonardo set. Of course, I would love to see one released. But it would seem if they had any intentions of doing so, then wouldn't they have just used the 26 Hunters and 26 King & Odies on the Tuxedo set which were produced for Tuxedo, and saved the earlier ones for a King Leonardo collection? Maybe that would make too much sense. I would also like to see Hoppity Hooper released some day too. I know, that's Jay Ward, but Classic Media has all his stuff too (aside from Crusader Rabbit).

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Posted March 29 2012 - 12:18 PM

Mark Arnold said that it was possible for a set on an Amazon review (comments section) of this set...that's where I read it.



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Posted March 29 2012 - 06:16 PM

I know, that's Jay Ward, but Classic Media has all his stuff too (aside from Crusader Rabbit).

Crusader Rabbit is owned by Fox, both the colors and black and whites, so the chances of seeing that released are zero.

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Posted March 29 2012 - 11:44 PM

Mark Arnold said that it was possible for a set on an Amazon review (comments section) of this set...that's where I read it.

That would be cool. I would love to see it, provided it's not a rush job. If only Classic Media and General Mills would have gotten together and cooperated on these sets.

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Posted March 30 2012 - 12:01 AM

Well, it's great that you helped out! Including 1/2 of a two-parter is indeed strange and unfortunate. My guess was noise reduction, but I wasn't sure if it could be something else--or maybe it was Classic Media's fault?? I figured that they did have big issues getting this set together and I'm sure they don't have the big budget that someone like WB would have, so I figured there'd be some issues. Thanks for the input.

Sure, no problem. Mark Arnold asked me for certain things, but it was pretty much at the eleventh hour. Then they'd discover this or that cartoon had no audio and I actually overnighted them certain ones. I threw in some other stuff including many of the King Leonardo intros and so forth -- I had no idea they'd actually use them, but it's very cool that they did. But what's frustrating to me is I would have sent more if they'd only asked (including the correct original titles for the ones missing, but it seems the compilers didn't care about that at all, they figured they were fine as is). I also had no idea that they were only going to include a few of the Tennessee Tuxedo riddles, not that that's a big loss, but it was a part of the show everyone remembers. I found myself thinking, if I have this stuff and the owners of the shows don't, there's a problem -- because when these shows do pop up in syndication, all that stuff is in there! (It's not like I'm some kind of archivist or something.) I have "Statue of Liberty Play," "Bye Bye Bees," "Lincoln Tunnel Caper," "The Record Racket," "The Unteachables," and if I'd had some lead time I could have dug them out and sent them. Maybe if they do a BluRay somewhere down the road...

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Posted March 30 2012 - 07:23 AM

Sounds like it was a rush job and done by people who weren't very familiar at all with the show. In other words, a typical Shout Factory release!

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Posted April 01 2012 - 08:33 AM



Originally Posted by eric scott richard 

I think I heard that King Leonardo and the other supporting segments are getting their own releases.



Originally Posted by Mark Y 

I believe Mark Arnold has said the opposite, that there is no intention to release a King Leonardo set. Of course, I would love to see one released. But it would seem if they had any intentions of doing so, then wouldn't they have just used the 26 Hunters and 26 King & Odies on the Tuxedo set which were produced for Tuxedo, and saved the earlier ones for a King Leonardo collection? Maybe that would make too much sense.
I would also like to see Hoppity Hooper released some day too. I know, that's Jay Ward, but Classic Media has all his stuff too (aside from Crusader Rabbit).


Well, if they do release a King Leonardo set, I hope they release all 104 of the shorts because they are jumbled around on the Tennessee set. A King Leonardo set would also be the perfect opportunity to release the remaining Total Television library (including the Beagles and Twinkles).


It looks like Shout had a plan for Underdog and carried it out. We got complete sets of Underdog (124), Go Go Gophers (48) and Commander McBragg (48). It was not a completely perfect set, but we did get the cartoons. With Tennessee Tuxedo, it appears like they had a plan, but ran out of time, money, or both, and kind of slapped it together and released it. We got a complete set of Tennessee Tuxedo's (70), but nothing else was completed. As I understand it, none of these cartoons are lost, so with a little more work, we could have had a more complete set for the supporting cartoons. It makes me wonder if they really would consider doing a third set for King Leonardo. I hope they do, but I have my doubts.


I have both of these sets and am happy to have the cartoons on them. However, I am disappointed and frustrated that the final product could have been better, and somehow it didn't work out that way.




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Posted April 02 2012 - 03:50 AM

Well, it's great that you helped out! Including 1/2 of a two-parter is indeed strange and unfortunate. My guess was noise reduction, but I wasn't sure if it could be something else--or maybe it was Classic Media's fault?? I figured that they did have big issues getting this set together and I'm sure they don't have the big budget that someone like WB would have, so I figured there'd be some issues. Thanks for the input.

I don't know anything about DVNR, but is it possible that the errors in the screen caps were from the original animation? There seem to be a lot of animation errors in all of the various shows that were animated in Mexico (Bullwinkle, Underdog, etc.). As for Tennessee Tuxedo, personally I was surprised it was released at all. It seems like Underdog even had the better of the supporting cartoons (I like Go Go Gophers and especially Commander McBragg much better than any of the secondary cartoons in Tennessee Tuxedo). It wish they had done a better job, and I especially wish they had included all of the riddles, but it's all right as is.

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Posted April 03 2012 - 12:36 AM

I'm working my way through both of the sets and making notes of specific cartoons with no title, music missing or changed, only one half of a two-part story, etc. When I finish it, I'll post a review. A few notes for now: I did run across one Go Go Gophers cartoon which was windowboxed, like when you hit "zoom" on your remote and it shrinks the image with a big black border around it. Just on that one cartoon, the stuff before it and after it is full frame. One Tennessee and one McBragg lok like they come straight from a home VHS recording from Nickelodeon or Cartoon Network or something. The Underdog storylines "The Phoney Booths" and "Batty Man" are taken from masters of past home video releases which were cut together into one long cartoon. Here they are split back into four parts, but not otherwise restored. They still have replaced titles from the 1990s and cliffhanger narration cut out. One Tennessee Tuxedo cartoon has a logo bug in one corner throughout (as does one of the intros, the one with the balloon). Odd, since it otherwise looks like it's from a master source (although I believe it's one of the ones where I supplied the audio -- maybe some international TV version which had been dubbed into another language)? Here's the thing. In its original run, Tuxedo featured The Hunter and The King & Odie (new segments of both). Then The Hunter moved to Underdog along with Go Go Gophers (the latter of which alternated, during the original NBC run, with repeats of Aesop & Son). When that happened, Tooter Turtle segments were added to Tuxedo. In Mark Arnold's book he's got a picture of an internal TTV memo which identifies Klondike Kat as having been a segment on Tennessee Tuxedo. I'm not sure about McBragg, but it may have originally appeared on Jay Ward's Hoppity Hooper. All this stuff was scrambled around many times later on, so I understand that it would be difficult or impossible to replicate the original running orders, but at the very least, all the cartoons should have been there. At least the ones that originally appeared on Tuxedo or Underdog. Two issues really messed this up. The first was the rush job, whether or not they had everything ready to go, and I don't understand that. The other thing, and this is what frustrates me, is that none of this stuff is really "lost" or "missing," or in "best available source" territory -- it's just that General Mills/Program Exchange/DFS has the masters, and for whatever reasons the two companies don't work together. It's the same reason an international syndicated TV package was used for the Rocky & Bullwinkle DVDs. I did read another comment from Mark Arnold suggesting that a King Leonardo set might ultimately be released. That would be great and it would be an opportunity to fill in the holes.




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