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#5541 of 5555 OFFLINE   EddieLarkin

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Posted January 24 2015 - 05:14 PM

Allied Artists didn't go wide until May

http://www.3dfilmarc...r-of-widescreen

Consequently, 1.37:1 should be correct for World for Ransom, as described in the article. Be interesting to see what the film looks like.

#5542 of 5555 OFFLINE   JoHud

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Posted January 24 2015 - 06:44 PM

Okay, just checking.  Thank you.  Watching it, it does seem that Aldrich played it safe on the potential AR presentation this one in case it happened to have gotten matted booking at the last minute.  It looked like all of it could have been safely framed at 1.75.

 

A real borderline case to be sure.



#5543 of 5555 OFFLINE   Bob Furmanek

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Posted January 25 2015 - 12:10 AM

I don't have my notes with me but I'm pretty sure I had some documentation to confirm RANSOM was not widescreen. It began filming on April 13, 1953.


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Posted January 25 2015 - 04:16 AM

Also another old WAC release I watched recently, Betrayed (1954) also seems to have an incorrect presentation, full-framed open-matte instead of widescreen.  Also a rather old trasfer used before they cleaned up their act.  Looked laserdisc-era.

 

The Warner Archive disc infuriates me because it ruins Freddie Young's careful use of light and color. I also enjoy the story although Gable is noticeably too old for his role. Lana Turner was given very bad direction but - IMO - she looks gorgeous as a brunette. 

 

I know this film does not have much of a following, but I would love Warners to attempt some restoration.



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Posted January 25 2015 - 04:33 AM

A couple other movies I'm pretty sure have incorrect OARs

 

Olive's release of World For Ransom (1954) is presented in 1.33:1 and while watching it seemed pretty clear it was intended for a widescreen presentation.  Lots of empty matting space above and below the action.

 

Alos another old WAC release I watched recently, Betrayed (1954) also seems to have an incorrect presentation, full-framed open-matte instead of widescreen.  Also a rather old trasfer used before they cleaned up their act.  Looked laserdisc-era.

WA celebrates its six year anniversary in less than two months and Betrayed was one of those titles released back in March, 2009.


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Posted January 25 2015 - 06:15 AM

WA celebrates its six year anniversary in less than two months and Betrayed was one of those titles released back in March, 2009.

 

And they used a clip of Betrayed in the WAC ad that opened every dvd for the first year or so. It's the scene with Lana Turner saying, "I did love him". That line is burned in my memory since I own so many of these discs. This film was very successful at the box office generating a nice profit for MGM.



#5547 of 5555 OFFLINE   Bob Furmanek

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Posted January 25 2015 - 12:44 PM

The correct AR for BETRAYED is 1.75:1.


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Posted January 25 2015 - 02:20 PM

The Warner Archive disc infuriates me because it ruins Freddie Young's careful use of light and color. I also enjoy the story although Gable is noticeably too old for his role. Lana Turner was given very bad direction but - IMO - she looks gorgeous as a brunette. 

 

I know this film does not have much of a following, but I would love Warners to attempt some restoration.

 

I does need to be remastered.  Hopefully some day, considering the current disc is well below their current standards of excellence.



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Posted January 25 2015 - 11:21 PM

THE LONG AND THE SHORT AND THE TALL was shown in 4:3 as I expected. As it wasn't HD, it was probably the BBC's copy of old, their original 35mm print transferred to Digibeta or whatever. However, the opening credits were letterboxed into approximately 1.66:1. I wonder if that was the case with the original cinema prints?

 

While I'm here, as "aspect ratio discussion" would also include the previous change in aspect ratio (the early talkie era), I can confirm that Network's forthcoming DVD of NIGHT BIRDS (1930) is in 1.19:1.



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Posted January 26 2015 - 08:26 AM

THE LONG AND THE SHORT AND THE TALL was shown in 4:3 as I expected. As it wasn't HD, it was probably the BBC's copy of old, their original 35mm print transferred to Digibeta or whatever. However, the opening credits were letterboxed into approximately 1.66:1.

 

Optimum's old DVD transfer was *precisely* the same.


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Posted January 26 2015 - 12:05 PM

The correct AR for BETRAYED is 1.75:1.

 

I wish the Archive would revisit and remaster some of their titles that have not been released in their OAR such as Betrayed and Executive Suite.



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Posted January 26 2015 - 05:48 PM

La Pelle (The Skin), a 1981 Italy/France co-production, has just been released on BD in 1.33:1 AR by Cohen Media:

http://www.dvdbeaver...kin_blu-ray.htm

It stars Marcello Mastroianni, Claudia Cardinale and Burt Lancaster, among others, and saw international theatrical release... Shurely shome mishtake?


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Posted January 26 2015 - 10:38 PM

La Pelle (The Skin), a 1981 Italy/France co-production, has just been released on BD in 1.33:1 AR by Cohen Media:

http://www.dvdbeaver...kin_blu-ray.htm

It stars Marcello Mastroianni, Claudia Cardinale and Burt Lancaster, among others, and saw international theatrical release... Shurely shome mishtake?

 

Sounds like it. I can't give a definitive answer as I haven't seen this film, but most Italian films from that time I've seen have been in 1.85:1. That would be very feasible, given Beaver's screencaps - lots of headroom in every one.



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Posted January 28 2015 - 02:53 PM

Screens for World for Ransom:

 

http://www.blu-ray.c...54/#Screenshots

 

http://www.dvdbeaver...som_blu-ray.htm

 

If I was going in blind, I'd definitely think 1.37:1 was correct.



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Posted January 28 2015 - 02:59 PM

Bob,

 

Imitation of Life (1959) version is it 1.85:1 or 2.00:1?


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