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1st Home theater system, concerned about what center channel?


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#1 of 10 JJLee138

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Posted February 20 2012 - 03:35 AM

Hello gentlemen, this will be my 1st time putting together a home audio system. I've been reading up and looking around for about 3 months and here's what I've put together so far. I have some restrictions that are making this really hard though... 1. Wife and I just built our 1st house and we spent prob more than we should to have in ceiling speaker runs made for the front and rears and an in wall cable for a mantle center located just under the TV over the fireplace. (Sub is run to the rear behind the couch). I did this while making 101 other home decisions and now I've found out that in-ceiling is far from optimal. BUT, my wife will kill me if I don't use these! Sooo, must make do.... No options here lol 2. Center channel is run to the mantle as I mentioned above and I'm dealing with a depth of 7.5in here... The Center that should go with the Polk RC80i's is the Polk CS2 which is 11 1/8in deep! Way too deep for my mantle! So now I'm looking for a shallow center and have been reading all this talk about timber match etc and am really scared about how this shallow Klipsch I found will fit (sound wise)... 3. I have a $1000 FIRM total budget that I'm all ready over here. We're a young new couple working on our 1st house and just absolutely have to stay in this range. Ok, all that being said, any idea how bad this center channel thing is going to throw me off? I just don't have frame of reference as to how bad this "timber match" issue is going to be. I'm far from an audiophile and really don't know what I'm getting into here. It seems that all of these threads on any board on any topic result in people chiming in saying that for $300 more here, $400 more there you can really have a perfect system, but I just can't do that. I guess I just want to know if my marriage is in danger here after I bring this Frankensystem to life lol. Any changes you'd make while staying relatively within budget? Thank you for taking the time to read this. Any input would be Greatly appreciated! Reciever: Onkyo TX-NR509 5.1 $230 http://www.amazon.co...RCO/ref=lh_ni_t In Ceiling Front/Rear Speakers: Polk Audio RC80i 2-Way In-Ceiling Speakers $142 (Pair) Total = $284 http://www.amazon.co...29754020&sr=1-1 Sub: Polk Audio PSW Series PSW505 12" $229 (Really hoping for wall shaking bass and this seems to be the sub) http://www.newegg.co...N82E16882290130 Center Channel? : Klipsch WC24 2-Way Center Channel Loudspeaker $329 http://www.amazon.co...duct/B001C57WEE Total $1,072

#2 of 10 Robert_J

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Posted February 20 2012 - 06:48 AM

By sticking to your budget and other constraints you are have probably picked the best components you can get.

I just don't have frame of reference as to how bad this "timber match" issue is going to be.

It all depends on how sensitive your hearing is. If you have never heard a good, timbre (timber is used in forestry) matched system then it won't sound bad to you.

Really hoping for wall shaking bass and this seems to be the sub

You will need to up your budget for true wall-shaking bass. These will give you wall shaking bass - http://www.seaton-so...post?id=4666795

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Posted February 20 2012 - 06:58 AM

By sticking to your budget and other constraints you are have probably picked the best components you can get.

I just don't have frame of reference as to how bad this "timber match" issue is going to be.

It all depends on how sensitive your hearing is. If you have never heard a good, timbre (timber is used in forestry) matched system then it won't sound bad to you.

Really hoping for wall shaking bass and this seems to be the sub

You will need to up your budget for true wall-shaking bass. These will give you wall shaking bass - http://www.seaton-so...post?id=4666795

Thanks a ton for the post Robert. I'm pretty much stuck in that budget for now yes. Your post was very helpful. I've asked similar questions on other forums and am just getting destroyed for how dumb I am to have in ceiling speakers etc. I realize it was a bad choice, but it's either put speakers in the holes I now have or continue to use the built in TV speakers forever etc. And no, I do not have a trained ear. I've been using built in TV speakers for the last decade believe it or not lol. I just don't want to put 1k into a system where I've obviously missed something that is common knowledge to the rest of the audio community. I'm not asking anyone to fix my mistakes, just help me out now that I've made them and work with what I've got. Thank you for your input! LOL at that link. I think those are DEFINITELY out of my current budget lol

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Posted February 20 2012 - 08:22 AM

http://www.nousaine....el Speakers.pdf The link above is an article on center channels that I bumped into a couple of weeks ago and I found it very interesting. It was written by a guy named Tom Nousaine, he used to write for The Audio Critic and currently does some writing for Sound & Vision I believe. Mr Nousaine is clearly an objectivist, so some will find this enlightening and others will dismiss it as it written by another one of those nutty objectivists. After you read this you may want to dust off some of those old speakers you've got hanging around, what do you have to lose? Best, Adam.

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Posted February 20 2012 - 10:55 AM

I'd never call Mr. Nousaine "nutty". He was the guy that started the trend in infinite baffle subs - http://home.comcast....ousaineIB1.html

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Posted February 21 2012 - 02:03 AM

http://www.nousaine.com/pdfs/Center%20Channel%20Speakers.pdf The link above is an article on center channels that I bumped into a couple of weeks ago and I found it very interesting. It was written by a guy named Tom Nousaine, he used to write for The Audio Critic and currently does some writing for Sound & Vision I believe. Mr Nousaine is clearly an objectivist, so some will find this enlightening and others will dismiss it as it written by another one of those nutty objectivists. After you read this you may want to dust off some of those old speakers you've got hanging around, what do you have to lose? Best, Adam.

Sorry, I was away from my PC last night. Thank you for the link. I'll read it over this afternoon! In the mean time, I was brainstorming a little bit and came up with a possibly different solution. Since the 5.1 I have layed out with the F/R speakers all in the ceiling is farrrr from optimal... Would it at least be a good start for a solid 7.1? Meaning, save up an extra $100 and get the next model up Onkyo that's 7.1 capable and then just proceed as planned above. Bet then say a year or so down the line add some Forward facing Klipch Wall or Bookshelf speakers to either side of the Klipch center channel to make it a 7.1? That would let me stick to my budget now (for the most part) but maybe correct the bad speaker placement on down the road without starting over? Just curious if the 4 in the ceiling 3 in the front wall will make a decent 7.1 in the future... Thanks for the help!

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Posted February 21 2012 - 02:50 AM

Dolby Labs has a great diagram of speaker layout for 5.1 and 7.1. With both systems, you have 3 speakers in the front. With 5.1 you have side surrounds. With 7.1, you add a pair of rear surrounds. Just adding additional speakers in front won't magically make it 7.1 if you use you front in-ceiling speakers. If you go 9.1 with front height speakers then you can use the front in-ceiling speakers. 9.1 isn't a standard format. It takes the front front channel information and pulls out the height. Some people are purists and don't like audio manipulation like that. I'm one. I want my audio directly from the disc and not modified in any way.

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Posted February 21 2012 - 03:18 AM

I see what you mean. I'll most likely just stick with my original plan for now as the Receiver upgrade is a bit more than the $100 I had thought it was as well. Well thank you for your time, I greatly appreciate it!

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Posted February 23 2012 - 03:00 AM

I'd never call Mr. Nousaine "nutty". He was the guy that started the trend in infinite baffle subs - http://home.comcast....ousaineIB1.html

You may "never" call Tom Nousaine "nutty", nor would I, but there are plenty that have. I was referring to the two distinct factions of the audio world, objectivists and subjectivists.

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Posted April 03 2012 - 03:31 AM

I always try to match the center to the fronts. Find the best Center that fits the space, then get the L and R to match it.