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Is the b&w era of TV on DVD slowly coming to an end?


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#61 of 2324 Steve...O

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Posted January 21 2012 - 08:01 AM

Some great discussion in this thread; I've enjoyed reading it.


I agree that we're nearer to the end than the beginning of B&W on DVD.    I'm hopeful that CBS/P will find a way to continue releasing the shows that have been started so that fans of Perry Mason, Rawhide, The Untouchables, Gunsmoke, and HGWT can finish off their collections.  The syndication bible website hasn't been updated beyond S6 of PM for example.

Beyond that, we've seen many of the "A" list  and even some of the "B" list titles being released (at least partially) so from a marketability standpoint it may fall on the independents to take a chance on what titles remain. There are still some glaring ommissions.  Why Maverick hasn't gotten released is a mystery.  Then there are shows like the original Defenders that are quite highly regarded but have gotten lost over time due to lack of exposure.


I am still not sold on the MOD route although I realize that's where the market is headed and many consumers are ok with it.  Products are priced too high in my view and the lack of English subtitles, fresh transfers, etc. just make seem like an inferior product to me compared to the high quality releases we've gotten used to at retail.  Shows like Jack Benny and Burns & Allen are enormously entertaining and I'd like to think they are worthy of a better release than a DVD-R that replicates what I could do  with my own off air recordings.


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Posted January 21 2012 - 12:24 PM

     Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve...O 

Some great discussion in this thread; I've enjoyed reading it.


I agree that we're nearer to the end than the beginning of B&W on DVD.    I'm hopeful that CBS/P will find a way to continue releasing the shows that have been started so that fans of Perry Mason, Rawhide, The Untouchables, Gunsmoke, and HGWT can finish off their collections.  The syndication bible website hasn't been updated beyond S6 of PM for example.

Beyond that, we've seen many of the "A" list  and even some of the "B" list titles being released (at least partially) so from a marketability standpoint it may fall on the independents to take a chance on what titles remain. There are still some glaring ommissions.  Why Maverick hasn't gotten released is a mystery.  Then there are shows like the original Defenders that are quite highly regarded but have gotten lost over time due to lack of exposure.


I am still not sold on the MOD route although I realize that's where the market is headed and many consumers are ok with it.  Products are priced too high in my view and the lack of English subtitles, fresh transfers, etc. just make seem like an inferior product to me compared to the high quality releases we've gotten used to at retail.  Shows like Jack Benny and Burns & Allen are enormously entertaining and I'd like to think they are worthy of a better release than a DVD-R that replicates what I could do  with my own off air recordings.



Excellent post, Steve.  A+ all the way around.  Hope we see more of you, as I've always found your posts to be both informative and well written.  I'm with you on the MOD model all the way.  It's just not something I can get real excited about.  But it is what it is.


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Posted January 21 2012 - 01:23 PM



Originally Posted by FanCollector 

Good catch about Jeannie. Obviously NBC wasn't quite 100% color in 1965-1966.



There were quite a few first episodes of a series, such as Get Smart and O.K. Crackerby, who's pilots were filmed in Black & White, so those first shows were shown in B&W while the other 25+ episodes were in color.  The same can be said for Jeanne who's fist season was more than three fourths in color.  I would consider NBC 100% in color by October of 65 and that would be the 65-66 season.  It was certainly more in color that CBS filming The Lucy Show in color, but televising them in Black and White or ABC reverting Wagon Train back to Black & White after a season of color.

Here is the clip of the NBC Color Peacock on the front of the first Get Smart show.  "The following program is brought to you in Living Color on NBC - It just starts in Black & White"







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Posted January 21 2012 - 01:42 PM

All of Jeannie's first year was black and white. They were later colorized for some syndicated airings and for one DVD option.



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Posted January 21 2012 - 02:06 PM

Excluding black & white pilot episodes, I don't know of any shows that switched to color mid-season, but I'm sure someone will chime in if there were. Here's a bit of trivia: There is one show that started out in black & white, switched to color for one season, and then went back to black & white for it's final season - can you name it? I believe it is the only show ever to switch from color to black & white, though again I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

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Posted January 21 2012 - 02:13 PM

Science Fiction Theatre had its first season in Color, but then switched to B&W for its final season.

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Posted January 21 2012 - 02:18 PM



Originally Posted by Mark-P 

Excluding black & white pilot episodes, I don't know of any shows that switched to color mid-season, but I'm sure someone will chime in if there were.
Here's a bit of trivia: There is one show that started out in black & white, switched to color for one season, and then went back to black & white for it's final season - can you name it?
I believe it is the only show ever to switch from color to black & white, though again I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.


That's a terrific trivia question. I hope you'll tell us the answer if someone doesn't geuss it eventually.




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Posted January 21 2012 - 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark-P 

Here's a bit of trivia: There is one show that started out in black & white, switched to color for one season, and then went back to black & white for it's final season - can you name it?
I believe it is the only show ever to switch from color to black & white, though again I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

I think Wagon Train fits the bill.



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Posted January 21 2012 - 02:27 PM

Indeed I will. Though as I expected, Regalus just posted another show that did the color to B&W switch. I also just realized that while Hazel's first season was B&W, a single episode from that season entitled "What'll We Watch Tonight" was filmed in color. The storyline was about Hazel buying a color TV and they so they filmed it in color to promote the sales of color TVs.

That's a terrific trivia question. I hope you'll tell us the answer if someone doesn't geuss it eventually.  



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Posted January 21 2012 - 02:29 PM

That is the correct answer, sir! That didn't take long to solve. :)

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Posted January 21 2012 - 02:34 PM

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That is the correct answer, sir! That didn't take long to solve. Posted Image

Just a lucky guess.  Posted Image



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Posted January 22 2012 - 12:24 AM

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Posted January 22 2012 - 03:13 AM

The Joey Bishop Show switched to B/W when it moved to CBS.

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Posted January 22 2012 - 05:06 AM

Yes, actually "The Joey Bishop Show" also answers the trivia question. Its first season on NBC was B&W, then it changed formats and also switched to color for Seasons 2 and 3 on NBC, then it went back to B&W for its fourth and final season on CBS.

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Posted January 22 2012 - 07:29 AM

I thought there was another show that fit the bill, but I couldn't think of what it was.  Good job, guys!


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Posted January 22 2012 - 08:39 AM

I truly learn something here almost every day. I had NO idea The Joey Bishop Show was ever shown in color. We didn't have a color set in those days, so I didn't take any notice of whether shows were in color or B&W. It wasn't a favorite show, but I do remember watching a few episodes.



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Posted January 22 2012 - 09:50 AM

Does anyone have any information on how much the first Color TV Sets were when they first came out? (I have a feeling they were VERY Expensive)! :eek: I remember when the first VCRs and Giant-Screen TVs came out in the 1970s, VCRs went for $2,500.00 and a Projection TV cost more than some Cars! :jawdrop: Today you can get a decent-sized TV Set for less than $200.00, and if you really need a VCR, check out the Garage Sales, a Buck or Two will take it away! :laugh:

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Posted January 22 2012 - 11:24 AM

In the early '50s, CBS and NBC (owned by RCA) had one of those "new product" wars we know so well. It was the same old story: They introduced two different, incompatible systems of color television broadcasting and reception. RCA-NBC won out, and by 1954 they were ready to sell color sets to the public and start broadcasting color shows. When first put on sale in 1954, a 12-inch color set cost $1,000. Larger screens cost more, of course. The Inflation Calculator says that $1,000 in 1954 is the equivalent of $8,000 today! It goes without saying that very few color sets were sold in the early days.

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Posted January 22 2012 - 01:30 PM

^^ You're right, they were expensive little buggers! :D

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Posted January 24 2012 - 02:41 AM

MAVERICK has to be top tier. Only a 3 episode sampler has been released by Warners so far. Certainly the first 3 seasons with James Garner should come out. LOVE THAT BOB has had only one low budget release with public domain episodes (about 20 of the 173 episodes are PD) and the quality wasn't that great. Show lasted 5 seasons and was a popular rerun for years, should qualify as second tier. I'll second DOBIE GILLIS as top tier as well. Apparently the Max Shulman estate is holding that one up.




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