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#2061 of 2480 OFFLINE   JoeDoakes

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Posted March 19 2014 - 02:42 PM

Since Bonanza is one of the most popular westerns of all time, there may be a chance that Shout/Timeless or some other studio can continue the releases, if CBS will license it out. If future releases will not be remastered to CBS standards, I'm okay with that.

Since CBS now seems to be considering licensing more, I think that's very possible.  It might depend upon whether CBS thinks they might want to return to the title.



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Posted March 19 2014 - 02:58 PM

P.S.  As an aside, I only put that Mark Twain quote in my post above because I just passed that benchmark age. 

 

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Posted March 19 2014 - 04:01 PM

Happy Belated Birthday, Gary!  I trust it was a good one with the family.

 

Thank you for the updates although it isn't what anyone wants to hear.    Bonanza isn't one of my grails, but I do feel for those who do collect this title.  Gunsmoke is one that I haven't started collecting but has always intrigued me.   I'm also concerned that this news also means that whatever chance we had of CBS/P going back and "fixing" the unremastered seasons of HAVE GUN or RAWHIDE has slipped away.

 

I am not on the MOD bandwagon yet simply because I have a hard time paying more for less.   I picked up the first two seasons of Maverick at retail as gifts but then WHV moved it to the Archive at a much higher price and without the English subtitles so I stopped buying them.    Bonanza, Gunsmoke, and even Cannon are still syndicated and can be captured by those wanting them off air so a MOD program adds little value to me.    Others love MOD and I respect their opinions; I can see why this would work for some. 

 

It's really too bad that the DVD technology didn't exist in its current form 30 years ago when the market for these shows was much bigger and the economy was fairly robust from the 80s through the 90s.

 

EDIT:  the CBS/P syndication bible was updated today (3/19) and a random check shows no updates to the B&W Westerns.  The Classic Honeymooners now shows as HD which is no surprise given the upcoming BD release.  Happy Days is now remastered up through S5 which S6 in progress.


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Posted March 19 2014 - 04:47 PM

It's definitely a minor miracle that CBS/Paramount completed Rawhide. I had doubts. Even though some seasons are not remastered, at least they did release all the episodes unedited. If they ever do remaster those two seasons,1 and 4, it would be the icing on the cake.

 

It's been another minor miracle that they've released Gunsmoke through Season 9. I never thought they get this far! I really hope they can finish off the two black and white years they have left and maybe do a couple of color seasons.


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Posted March 19 2014 - 07:36 PM

I hate to hear this on Bonanza as the "lost episodes" were the ones I was really wanting to see on DVD. I don't despise the earlier seasons but it got better in the later seasons, at least to me.

 

I think the thing that has always gotten me on CBS is how they keep rehashing the same thing over and over. I Love Lucy is certainly a classic and deserved a proper release BUT.....even after it was released, they went back and re-released with new packaging and they were constantly plugging it on their Facebook page. Now we're seeing Lucy rehashed again on Blu along with The Andy Griffith Show. Fine, they've already did the legwork on those with the HD remastering so it's not like they're putting a bunch of money into new transfers.

 

The one glimmer of hope is that they apparently made some sort of deal with Walmart, at least for The Beverly Hillbillies and Petticoat Junction. Perhaps they'll continue to do that with Bonanza. We can always hope.


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Posted March 19 2014 - 07:38 PM

BTW, I haven't viewed the DVD's of TAGS so I have no idea if they were as stunning as the work done on The Beverly Hillbillies but I viewed a few of the b&w episodes on Netflix in HD and they are absolutely gorgeously transferred!


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#2067 of 2480 OFFLINE   Gary OS

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Posted March 20 2014 - 05:45 AM

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Happy Belated Birthday, Gary!  I trust it was a good one with the family.

 

Thank you for the updates although it isn't what anyone wants to hear.    Bonanza isn't one of my grails, but I do feel for those who do collect this title.  Gunsmoke is one that I haven't started collecting but has always intrigued me.   I'm also concerned that this news also means that whatever chance we had of CBS/P going back and "fixing" the unremastered seasons of HAVE GUN or RAWHIDE has slipped away.

 

I am not on the MOD bandwagon yet simply because I have a hard time paying more for less.   I picked up the first two seasons of Maverick at retail as gifts but then WHV moved it to the Archive at a much higher price and without the English subtitles so I stopped buying them.    Bonanza, Gunsmoke, and even Cannon are still syndicated and can be captured by those wanting them off air so a MOD program adds little value to me.    Others love MOD and I respect their opinions; I can see why this would work for some. 

 

It's really too bad that the DVD technology didn't exist in its current form 30 years ago when the market for these shows was much bigger and the economy was fairly robust from the 80s through the 90s.

 

EDIT:  the CBS/P syndication bible was updated today (3/19) and a random check shows no updates to the B&W Westerns.  The Classic Honeymooners now shows as HD which is no surprise given the upcoming BD release.  Happy Days is now remastered up through S5 which S6 in progress.

 

Thanks for the well wishes, Steve.  It's appreciated.  All the points you brought up I see the same way.  Being the bearer of bad news isn't something I relish.  But facts are facts and right now the situation with Bonanza is one of those unpleasant realities.  We'll have to see if things change up down the line.  All we can do is keep our fingers crossed.

 

 

It's definitely a minor miracle that CBS/Paramount completed Rawhide. I had doubts. Even though some seasons are not remastered, at least they did release all the episodes unedited. If they ever do remaster those two seasons,1 and 4, it would be the icing on the cake.

 

It's been another minor miracle that they've released Gunsmoke through Season 9. I never thought they get this far! I really hope they can finish off the two black and white years they have left and maybe do a couple of color seasons.

 

I hadn't really thought of it in those terms, but I think you are probably right.  We should be thankful that Rawhide will be finished.  Other than the 2 "hiccup" seasons that were not remastered, I have to be happy because this was a big grail show for me.  One would think if any CBS western was going to make it it would be Gunsmoke.  But who knows at this point.  The potential market for a show like this dwindles day after day.  I just don't know what the future holds for this series although at present I am a bit concerned.  Time will tell.

 

 

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Posted March 20 2014 - 09:49 AM

My pastor loves Gunsmoke, Gary! He's managed a time or two to bring Matt into the sermon. :D

 

I used to argue that I liked the color seasons the best. Last summer I had the chance to really start watching the b&w episodes on Encore and I believe I might like those better. I'm still partial to Festus, though. :rolleyes:


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Posted March 20 2014 - 10:09 AM

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Cursed be the day that Shout! bought out TMG.  :angry:


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Posted March 20 2014 - 10:11 AM

Cursed be the day that Shout! bought out TMG.  :angry:


You're so right!
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Posted March 20 2014 - 02:35 PM

Cursed be the day that Shout! bought out TMG.  :angry:

Many on this thread predicted that Shout! would be the end of B&W releases by Timeless. I was hopefull considering that they had several ZIV releases in the pipeline. But you can see now that there won't be many B&W releases in the future  on Timeless. A shame . The situation is made worse by the fact that companies like Inception, MPI, Schanachie , TGG Direct don't have much to offer either.


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Posted March 22 2014 - 12:45 PM

It figures that as soon I start buying BONANZA, this word comes in. Then again, as I posted elsewhere, I'm sure the reason I was able to get the first five seasons so cheaply is because it wasn't selling. There's a Catch-22 for you. I can say now I'll be happy with seven seasons, but once I finish watching the last released season perhaps that perspective will skew differently.

Based on viewings about ten years ago I always thought the series went downhill after Adam left because it subtracted story potential and diminished the original dynamic. But I've watched some of the later seasons on Encore and Ioved them. Now I wish I was recording them just in case, but that's a big undertaking given it would be seven seasons to record onto DVD-Rs. This is where an external hard drive connected to the DVR might come in handy.

I certainly agree with birthday boy, Gary ( happy belated, old boy!) in his prognostications over current release patterns and also about already having enough to watch for a long time, but inherent collectors will always obsess over WHERE'S THE REST and/or WHAT ELSE IS THERE?
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Posted March 23 2014 - 12:06 AM

Had to happen sooner or later but at least we can be thankful for getting as much as we did. As for the shows that will never make it out, well, that's why what we have our VHS collections for! Not as good quality, but better than nothing. Unfortunately, my 2 favorite genres, dramas and sitcoms, are not big selling DVD items.

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Posted March 23 2014 - 04:20 AM



Unfortunately, my 2 favorite genres, dramas and sitcoms, are not big selling DVD items.

 

Back on April 16, 2010, in the "Sitcoms with 2 or more full seasons that are not on DVD" thread, you said:

 


Since sitcoms seem to be the most popular genre for DVD releases (I prefer dramas myself), I thought it might be interesting to take a look at what popular sitcoms (those that ran at least 2 full seasons or more) have not seen a decent release on DVD.

 

A lot can happen in four years... :D



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Posted March 23 2014 - 09:31 AM

Not the sitcoms that I want, unfortunately, which are the shorter running ones from the 60s that I watched as a kid. I don't think that any time soon we are going to see DVD sets of Occasional Wife, Love on a Rooftop, Blondie, The Jean Arthur Show, Karen, Harris Against The World, Tom, Dick and Mary, No Time For Sergeants, Wendy and Me, Second Hundred Years, Mr. Roberts, Accidental Family, Nancy, He and She, Baileys of Balboa, The Cara Williams Show, Many Happy Returns, It's About Time, Pistols and Petticoats, The Queen and I, Make Room For Granddaddy, The Paul Lynde Show, The Good Life, Temperatures Rising, Adam's Rib, Needles and Pins, A Touch Of Grace, The Little People, Valentine's Day, Double Life of Henry Phyffe, The Tycoon, The Good Guys, To Rome With Love, The Smith Family or The Governor and JJ.

It seems for a shorter run show to be released, the best bets are Westerns or SciFi.
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Posted March 23 2014 - 07:47 PM

I'd love to see the Jean Arthur Show be released. Never saw a bad movie with her yet and the few bits and pieces I've seen of the show, she seems every bit as appealing as she was in her movie days decades earlier. 



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Posted March 23 2014 - 11:31 PM

 

I'd love to see the Jean Arthur Show be released. Never saw a bad movie with her yet and the few bits and pieces I've seen of the show, she seems every bit as appealing as she was in her movie days decades earlier.

 
Not a great show by any means and it was the last thing she ever did on screen. But she was in her mid-60s at the time and she looked around 20 years younger. They even said that they were worried about Ron Harper being believable playing her son and he was 30 years old.

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Posted March 24 2014 - 06:27 PM

Not the sitcoms that I want, unfortunately, which are the shorter running ones from the 60s that I watched as a kid. I don't think that any time soon we are going to see DVD sets of Occasional Wife, Love on a Rooftop, Blondie, The Jean Arthur Show, Karen, Harris Against The World, Tom, Dick and Mary, No Time For Sergeants, Wendy and Me, Second Hundred Years, Mr. Roberts, Accidental Family, Nancy, He and She, Baileys of Balboa, The Cara Williams Show, Many Happy Returns, It's About Time, Pistols and Petticoats, The Queen and I, Make Room For Granddaddy, The Paul Lynde Show, The Good Life, Temperatures Rising, Adam's Rib, Needles and Pins, A Touch Of Grace, The Little People, Valentine's Day, Double Life of Henry Phyffe, The Tycoon, The Good Guys, To Rome With Love, The Smith Family or The Governor and JJ.

It seems for a shorter run show to be released, the best bets are Westerns or SciFi.

Many shows I'd like to own on your list .


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Posted March 31 2014 - 05:47 AM

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I attended a film fair here in the UK this weekend & got chatting to Renown films one of the stallholders . Renown are mostly known for releasing old British 'B movies from the 30's to the 60's.

It appears they have the rights to all the Four Star catalogue 'Burke's Law, 'Big Valley' 'June Allyson','Black Saddle' etc.etc.for the UK, Scandinavia,& curiously Africa.They have just re-released 'Honey West' here.

I enquired if they planned to release any further Four Star material & they told me
that a clause in their rights stated they could only put them out if they could guarantee to sell a thousand copies. Not much chance of that for these old B/W shows in the UK. I thought it interesting that perhaps a similar clause exists for whoever hold the rights in the US.
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Posted March 31 2014 - 07:31 AM

It appears they have the rights to all the Four Star catalogue 'Burke's Law, 'Big Valley' 'June Allyson','Black Saddle' etc.etc.for the UK, Scandinavia,& curiously Africa.They have just re-released 'Honey West' here.

I enquired if they planned to release any further Four Star material & they told me
that a clause in their rights stated they could only put them out if they could guarantee to sell a thousand copies. Not much chance of that for these old B/W shows in the UK. I thought it interesting that perhaps a similar clause exists for whoever hold the rights in the US.

I bet that they could sell a 1000 copies of Burkes Law, especially if there was a mastering glich that failed to region code the disks.






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