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OMG! Someone is selling mp3s of my Father's recordings online! HELP!


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#21 of 30 MielR

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Posted February 11 2012 - 02:06 PM

Be wary of the paths you cross! All niceties are not nice! Helpful and helpfulness can be deceptive stall tactics.

I attempted to make that previous post readable........

Thanks very much, Richard (& Tony) I spoke with an entertainment lawyer by phone a couple of weeks ago, and he basically told me that I first need to get copies of whatever contracts/agreements they (UMG) have, and they won't want to give them to me. He said their copyrights may very well have run out, in which case I would be in a position to get the rights myself, but they won't make it easy for me to do that either. He also said that this was more of a family/estate law case than an entertainment one and I should find an estate lawyer who maybe could write out a letter or two for me, but that most of it I could do myself and it might not be worth the expense of hiring a lawyer.


I'll keep plugging away, though, even though it might not amount to anything. I can't believe things are so screwed up that this can happen to so many artists and artists' heirs. I'll definitely do some research on the Bob Marley/"work for hire" issue, although I don't know how relevant that will be since my father was primarily a singer.


Thanks for your advice and good luck with your situation, too!


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Posted February 11 2012 - 02:13 PM

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Posted March 29 2014 - 09:59 AM

Even if UMG authorized the sale, really the amount of money we're talking about is so minimal. Maybe it might sell a couple of hundred copies. Certainly not enough for UMG to worry about and really not enough for you to worry about either. But getting it removed, all it will do is keep the music buried. No one is going to legitimately release stuff this obscure and with this little commercial appeal.

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Posted March 29 2014 - 10:18 AM

I also think that, in the UK, recordings fall out of copyright faster than they do in the U.S.  I think that I have heard that after 50 years or something, they are no longer copyrighted.



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Posted April 05 2014 - 07:07 PM

Even if UMG authorized the sale, really the amount of money we're talking about is so minimal. Maybe it might sell a couple of hundred copies. Certainly not enough for UMG to worry about and really not enough for you to worry about either. But getting it removed, all it will do is keep the music buried. No one is going to legitimately release stuff this obscure and with this little commercial appeal.

 

It's an issue of principle for me, not money. More people will be exposed to his music through my uploads to YouTube than all the music sites combined. I'd rather people hear his music for free there, than for anyone to make one cent off of it.

 

My goal now is to get the rights to everything that I can. UMG hasn't been able to locate any contracts for the music in question, and I'm hoping that will be helpful to me.

 

I also think that, in the UK, recordings fall out of copyright faster than they do in the U.S.  I think that I have heard that after 50 years or something, they are no longer copyrighted.

 

Yes, and I think that's awful. It turns out that some of the music that was being 'bootlegged' in the UK due to public domain, was never released in the UK in the first place, which I've been told is illegal.


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Posted May 01 2014 - 09:25 AM

Even if UMG authorized the sale, really the amount of money we're talking about is so minimal. Maybe it might sell a couple of hundred copies. Certainly not enough for UMG to worry about and really not enough for you to worry about either. But getting it removed, all it will do is keep the music buried. No one is going to legitimately release stuff this obscure and with this little commercial appeal.

Bear Family in Germany does it all the time, Neil.


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Posted May 01 2014 - 09:57 AM

MielR, it's apparently a pretty common problem. I've looked for years for a legit release of Hank Williams' The Lonesome Sound of Hank Williams on CD or mp3. You're hard pressed to find these versions since they were overdubbed after Hank's death and my LP isn't the best pressing.

 

Anyhow, I found it available for mp3 download on Amazon for $6.99. A heckuva price! I downloaded it only to find it's was dubbed from a bad LP source and the album was played too slow. After a bit of research, I found the label (Hallmark) is a British label who apparently can license things cheaper (Bear Family in Germany takes advantage of the lower European licensing costs as well but they put out an A+ product) and they use questionable sources.

 

Amazon refunded my purchase price without a problem but the mp3 album was never pulled and is still available. Since that time I've noticed the same thing happening with Chet Atkins, Hank Thompson and Eddy Arnold. There's simply no telling how much shady product there is out there being released by budget labels.


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Posted May 09 2014 - 11:51 PM

I wonder how Amazon is still selling the Hank Williams' (and the other artists you mentioned) mp3s in the US? I purchased the two bootlegged LPs of my dad's (which included non-LP B-sides, no less!) from the US Amazon site but when I rose a stink and UMG got involved, they magically disappeared from the US site. The guy at UMG seemed a bit skeptical that they were ever there, but the songs were still in my Amazon cloud and I had the receipt! ("Cleopatra Records" was the culprit, btw.)

I know the UK/EU public domain laws are permissive (to put it nicely), but you'd think that with an artist as famous as Hank Williams, that wouldn't be going on here in the US, unless there's something wonky about the copyright of that particular album.

I guess the bottom line is, if there's even the smallest opportunity for someone to take advantage, they'll do it. Sad but true.
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Posted May 10 2014 - 09:44 AM

I wonder how Amazon is still selling the Hank Williams' (and the other artists you mentioned) mp3s in the US? I purchased the two bootlegged LPs of my dad's (which included non-LP B-sides, no less!) from the US Amazon site but when I rose a stink and UMG got involved, they magically disappeared from the US site. The guy at UMG seemed a bit skeptical that they were ever there, but the songs were still in my Amazon cloud and I had the receipt! ("Cleopatra Records" was the culprit, btw.)

I know the UK/EU public domain laws are permissive (to put it nicely), but you'd think that with an artist as famous as Hank Williams, that wouldn't be going on here in the US, unless there's something wonky about the copyright of that particular album.

I guess the bottom line is, if there's even the smallest opportunity for someone to take advantage, they'll do it. Sad but true.

The treatment of Hank's catalog is pretty bad by all accounts. I bought a tape at Walmart years back that had a couple of unreleased songs on some label I'd never heard of. When I contacted Mercury Nashville about it, I was told that release was "bootleg." Really? I can buy bootleg at Walmart? Lol!!!!

 

There's still stuff passing along among collectors that the label has ignored for years. On my YouTube channel, I uploaded songs he did in the early 40's on radio before he ever signed a record deal.

 

I really wish Bear Family would do some sort of set on Hank but apparently they've even had issues trying to license his music.


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Posted May 10 2014 - 09:56 AM

I also think that, in the UK, recordings fall out of copyright faster than they do in the U.S.  I think that I have heard that after 50 years or something, they are no longer copyrighted.

 

This article might help regarding the UK.

 

http://en.wikipedia...._United_Kingdom


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