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Pirates of the Caribbean: Part 5


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#1 of 9 OFFLINE   Ron-P

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Posted June 02 2011 - 07:18 AM

Dark Horizons is reporting that the script is finished and no director has signed. But, Disney wants Tim Burton. That would be absolutely fantastic to have Burton behind the wheel.




Tim Burton, Sam Raimi, Shawn Levy, Chris Weitz and Alfonso Cuaron are all being brought up as possible back-up directors on a fifth "Pirates of the Caribbean" film says Cinema Blend.

An offer has reportedly been out to 'On Stranger Tides' director Rob Marshall since January, but he hasn't signed as yet. If Marshall doesn’t return then Disney's alleged big hope is to score Burton whom they wanted for the fourth film.

Marshall's lack of interest isn't surprising as he's looking likely to re-team with Depp on "The Thin Man" remake instead. The script for the fifth 'Pirates' has reportedly been finished for weeks.



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#2 of 9 OFFLINE   Don Solosan

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Posted June 02 2011 - 02:16 PM

Yeah, Burton served Superman and Planet of the Apes so well...



#3 of 9 OFFLINE   Ron-P

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Posted June 02 2011 - 02:19 PM

One bad film out of so many. Most directors do much worst than those odds. Heck, just look at Bryan Singer, the majority of his films are bad.


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#4 of 9 OFFLINE   Colin Jacobson

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Posted June 03 2011 - 01:01 AM



Originally Posted by Don Solosan 

Yeah, Burton served Superman and Planet of the Apes so well...



Tim Burton directed a Superman film?  That's news to me!


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#5 of 9 OFFLINE   Don Solosan

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Posted June 03 2011 - 06:35 AM

Originally Posted by Colin Jacobson 

Tim Burton directed a Superman film?  That's news to me!


Where did I say "directed"?  He got a big payday to do so (5 mil).  Kept the project in development hell by abandoning Kevin Smith's script and starting anew.  Cast Nicolas Cage (20 mil).  Delivered nothing.  Cost the studio 30 mil.


So yes, I would say (sarcastically, of course) that he served Superman and the studio well and will probably do the same for Pirates.




#6 of 9 OFFLINE   Colin Jacobson

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Posted June 03 2011 - 11:46 AM



Originally Posted by Don Solosan 


Where did I say "directed"?  He got a big payday to do so (5 mil).  Kept the project in development hell by abandoning Kevin Smith's script and starting anew.  Cast Nicolas Cage (20 mil).  Delivered nothing.  Cost the studio 30 mil.


So yes, I would say (sarcastically, of course) that he served Superman and the studio well and will probably do the same for Pirates.



Just seems weird to gripe about a director's impact on a franchise when he didn't actually DIRECT any of the films.  Do you think Burton did some irreparable harm to the franchise?  Do you think we would've gotten quality Superman movies prior to 2006 if Burton had never been involved?


All seems like speculation.  We can say what Burton did to the "Apes" series but we have no idea what would've happened with Superman if Burton had never been attached...



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#7 of 9 OFFLINE   Don Solosan

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Posted June 03 2011 - 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Colin Jacobson 

Just seems weird to gripe about a director's impact on a franchise when he didn't actually DIRECT any of the films.  Do you think Burton did some irreparable harm to the franchise?  Do you think we would've gotten quality Superman movies prior to 2006 if Burton had never been involved?


All seems like speculation.  We can say what Burton did to the "Apes" series but we have no idea what would've happened with Superman if Burton had never been attached...


I probably liked Superman Returns better than most people, but I think it's safe to say that it was a dead end.  It's possible that if Kevin Smith's Superman had been produced, it might have lead to more movies.  If nothing else, Burton gummed up the works for a long time.


Do you want Hollywood to stop trusting quirky directors and go back to the days when the director was just a hired gun who delivered what the studio wanted?




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Posted June 03 2011 - 04:45 PM



Originally Posted by Don Solosan 

Do you want Hollywood to stop trusting quirky directors and go back to the days when the director was just a hired gun who delivered what the studio wanted?



I don't know that I'd go that far -- but I think there's something to be said for directors who subsume their style into the story being told and put their ego aside.  I wouldn't want to do away with quirky directors or people who have their own style, either.  But I also appreciate someone who can serve the material, and let the material determine how they approach it.  Michael Curtiz is one of my favorite directors - you don't see a lot of retrospectives being done on him, but he directed some of the greatest films of all time (Casablanca and The Adventures Of Robin Hood to name only a couple) and always did quality work.  He was a contract director for Warner, and I'd say that Warner was well served to have someone like him they could go to.  I wouldn't mind seeing more of that in today's time.


I'm guess I'm saying, while I'm not a huge fan of the Pirates film anyway - they are fun, and they have a distinct feel to them - and I think that's enough.  They don't need extra quirk.  I'd say the same for Superman movies, for the most part - he's such a classic hero, and it's such a classic tale, that I think the material is better served by someone who chooses to bend their style to fit it as opposed to someone who tries to bend the material to fit their style.



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Posted June 06 2011 - 07:32 AM

I'm sure WB has been more than happy to overlook the cost of Burton's failed Superman project when they consider the box office successes of Beetlejuice, Batman and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, among others. Burton has made WB a LOT of money over the years.


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