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Buying my 1st 5.1 surround


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#1 of 10 bladeofthemoon

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Posted April 05 2011 - 06:04 AM

Hi guys,


Im looking to buy my first surround sound system for my room and im hoping for comments and advice from you guys.

ive been offered a lot of systems but since i dont wanna spend too much, im looking at the following system which i kinda like after my initial research.



Polkaudio USA RM6750 (5.1 Speaker System) Denon AVR 1611 amps   My room size is 13 X 18 Ft and im aiming watching movies and music.   Would you say the system is a decent build?   My initial research seems to say that the amps are fine and the only issue people seem to be reporting is with the amps of the Polk Audio system.   Thanks.   Blade

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Posted April 05 2011 - 02:18 PM

The 1611 is a fine receiver for the price, lots of features and Audyssey MultEQ room correction,  but I find Denons a bit harder to operate then most other brands. Those Polks are O.K. but most of us prefer larger bookshelves to the smaller satillite speakers. But speakers are a personal choice.


"Everyday room": Panasonic 58" Plasma, Dish HD DVR, Pioneer Elite vsx-23, BDP-23 BR, dv58avi universal dvd player, Paradigm Studio 20 V1, CC-450, Dayton HSU-10 subwoofer.

"Movie/Music room": Toshiba 65" DLP, Dish HD receiver, Marantz 7005, CC-4003, BD-7006, Polk LSI25's-LSi7's-LSiC, 2 original Dayton 10" "Mighty-Mites" subwoofers. (subject to change without notice).
 
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#3 of 10 bladeofthemoon

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Posted April 05 2011 - 02:37 PM

well yea i agree that speaker could be a personal choice but since i have zero experience in them, im kinda going with market opinion here.


so if there is someone who has heard these speakers in action, i'd appreciate some feedback.

also, maybe some recommendations for speakers that i could buy.


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Posted April 05 2011 - 04:47 PM

Hi Blade,

 

I'm not going to spend time reminiscing about my first 5.1 setup...I'll get right to the advice part.

 

When looking at your receiver, you want to ensure it has the features you want.  THX certification, Dolby, True Dolby, DTS...all the good stuff.  Make sure that your other equipment (computer, Blu-ray or DVD) all have the right cable outputs and that your receiver has the proper inputs for your devices.  Nothing more frustrating than finding out that you have to get an adapter to plug in whatever device instead of using the native receiver connection.  Another indicator of a decent receiver is the weight.  Heavy is better in most cases.  I would advise you to look at Yamaha's line of RX-V3xxx receivers.  You can get an RX-V3800 for around $500 now...and that kind of power will last you a few years.

 

Speakers.  You're better off buying used, higher-end speakers online or wherever, rather than box store speakers.  Getting a good high-end speaker dirt cheap, that is already "broken in" will sound SO MUCH BETTER than the crap you'll find in box stores.  As another poster in this thread mentioned, speakers are a personal choice.  If you can, buy your receiver and then try out your potential speakers with your favourite music or movie and choose them that way.

 

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Posted April 05 2011 - 05:34 PM

Hi kev,


the amps that you have recommended seems to be a good system. It has more power compared to the denon amps (140 watts against 110 watts). the certifications i'll need to look into but since its an award winning amps (as said on the site anyways) i think it should be mostly fine.


The speakers are what are really bothering me. The thing is that being in india, getting well maintained broken in speakers is a challenge. So typically i'd wanna go in for new ones here. What im basically gathering is that unless i go listen to a few speaker systems, i'll not know what i want or not. so i suppose i'll have to go do that to finish this line of thought. also, since no one seems to have used the speaker systems im talking about, i suppose i'll have to just go by review.


thanks for you input, it was worth more than the 2 cents ure thinking it was :)



#6 of 10 Jason Charlton

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Posted April 06 2011 - 02:27 AM


Originally Posted by Ottawa 

Hi Blade,

 

THX certification, Dolby, True Dolby, DTS...all the good stuff...


Another indicator of a decent receiver is the weight.  Heavy is better in most cases.

 

...You're better off buying used, higher-end speakers online or wherever, rather than box store speakers.  Getting a good high-end speaker dirt cheap, that is already "broken in" will sound SO MUCH BETTER than the crap you'll find in box stores.




Personally, I disagree with portions of the above statements (emphasis added by me).  THX certification is not an important feature for an A/V receiver.  Just because a receiver is not THX Certified does not mean that it does not meet the THX standards.  It simply means that the receiver manufacturer chose not to pay THX for including their logo on the front panel.  It's personal preference, but the additional signal "processing" that THX adds is not something that interests me in the least.  I prefer to listen to my multichannel audio in its native format - unprocessed and unadulterated.


Also, weight is not a very reliable indicator of quality.  Go with a respected brand (Denon, Onkyo, Panasonic, Yamaha) and you'll do fine.  Connectivity is king.  If you have a mix of HDMI and non-HDMI devices, then get a receiver that will convert all video sources to HDMI and you'll be fine.


Finally, I have never noticed my speakers changing dramatically (or even at all) after being "broken in" and I've had them for about 7 years.  You'll get mixed opinions on this (like you will about the need for really expensive speaker wire) but I'm not at all in the camp that believes speakers will sound "so much better" after being used a bit.



Originally Posted by bladeofthemoon 


It has more power compared to the denon amps (140 watts against 110 watts). the certifications i'll need to look into but since its an award winning amps (as said on the site anyways) i think it should be mostly fine.



Don't worry about wattage numbers.  The difference between 140 wpc and 110 wpc is miniscule.  The rule of thumb is that it takes double the wattage to produce a 3dB difference in output volume.  If you want loud, make sure your speakers are highly efficient (have a sensitivity rating of at least 90dB) and they will be loud enough with as little as 70-80 wpc for most rooms.


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Posted April 06 2011 - 04:36 AM

I like the Denon 1611. As others has said, it is difficult to comment on the speakers since even if we have heard them, we may have different tastes. I also agree that you shouldn't buy a receiver because of THX certification. Its not a bad thing, but there are plenty of receivers without it that are just as good or better. As for breaking speakers in, that happens within a few seconds after the first sound. Hopefully this was already done at the factory (testing them is all that is needed). Now, to the main point of my post. :D What is the upper limit of your budget? Perhaps you could spend less on the receiver and a bit more on the speakers? The Denon goes for around $300 while an Onkyo 508 can be found for closer to $200. Also, does it matter if the speakers are bookshelves? Is bigger okay?

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Posted April 06 2011 - 05:23 AM



Originally Posted by Jason Charlton 



Personally, I disagree with portions of the above statements (emphasis added by me).  THX certification is not an important feature for an A/V receiver.  Just because a receiver is not THX Certified does not mean that it does not meet the THX standards.  It simply means that the receiver manufacturer chose not to pay THX for including their logo on the front panel.  It's personal preference, but the additional signal "processing" that THX adds is not something that interests me in the least.  I prefer to listen to my multichannel audio in its native format - unprocessed and unadulterated.


Also, weight is not a very reliable indicator of quality.  Go with a respected brand (Denon, Onkyo, Panasonic, Yamaha) and you'll do fine.  Connectivity is king.  If you have a mix of HDMI and non-HDMI devices, then get a receiver that will convert all video sources to HDMI and you'll be fine.


Finally, I have never noticed my speakers changing dramatically (or even at all) after being "broken in" and I've had them for about 7 years.  You'll get mixed opinions on this (like you will about the need for really expensive speaker wire) but I'm not at all in the camp that believes speakers will sound "so much better" after being used a bit.




Don't worry about wattage numbers.  The difference between 140 wpc and 110 wpc is miniscule.  The rule of thumb is that it takes double the wattage to produce a 3dB difference in output volume.  If you want loud, make sure your speakers are highly efficient (have a sensitivity rating of at least 90dB) and they will be loud enough with as little as 70-80 wpc for most rooms.



Ya im planning to go with the denon 1611 mostly and as for speakers im going to check out the polk audio he's recommending, my dealer that is. well, even i was thinking that 140 and 110 wont make so much of a diff, but that was just using some calculations and sometimes practicals are more correct so i thought of taking advice.



Originally Posted by David Willow 

I like the Denon 1611. As others has said, it is difficult to comment on the speakers since even if we have heard them, we may have different tastes.

I also agree that you shouldn't buy a receiver because of THX certification. Its not a bad thing, but there are plenty of receivers without it that are just as good or better. As for breaking speakers in, that happens within a few seconds after the first sound. Hopefully this was already done at the factory (testing them is all that is needed).

Now, to the main point of my post. Posted Image What is the upper limit of your budget? Perhaps you could spend less on the receiver and a bit more on the speakers? The Denon goes for around $300 while an Onkyo 508 can be found for closer to $200. Also, does it matter if the speakers are bookshelves? Is bigger okay?



the upper limit of  my budget is about $1300. the trouble is that the prices of the same system here in india compared to USA is about double so when i compare to your costing, i'd say closer to about $650 Posted Image


Finally, thanks guys for the info. i think now i understand what goes into buying a system. a good receiver and the speakers have to heard and accepted :)




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Posted April 17 2011 - 11:11 PM

Hi Blade,


Did you finally buy your system?  What did you get and how does it sound?



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Posted April 18 2011 - 04:00 AM

Hi ottawa,


thanks for asking. Yes i got my system. Denon amps avr 1611 and Polk Audio 6750 speakers. I must say for my room size, they are awesome. enough power to make me NOT want to go full volume, the richness of sound is amazing and the surrounds work fabulous. The auto setting acoustics in the amps is pretty awesome, although if you are a junkie for music, u might wanna do some final tweaking yourself cause like all "auto" systems, it isnt perfect. it needs the human touch.


I haven't tried watching a movie yet so i cant say anything about that but for music it seems to be pretty sweet in my humble opinion. Posted Image gimme a few more days, imma properly test it on a weekend cause i JUST installed it and weekdays get pretty hectic, if you know what i mean.