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HTF BLU-RAY REVIEW: Tron Legacy/Tron: 2-Movie Collection (3D Blu-ray Combo Pack)



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#1 of 51 OFFLINE   Matt Hough

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Posted March 25 2011 - 10:10 AM



#2 of 51 OFFLINE   Edwin-S

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Posted March 25 2011 - 11:32 AM

I don't get the review marks for the "3D" in this film. 3.5 out of 5 and yet the review states the 3D was effective. What rates a 5 out of 5 in terms of 3D? A lot of cheesy "poke out" effects? The 3D should be rated strictly on its intended use within the context of the film and in this case the intent was to create an added differentiation between the external "real world" and the internal "computer world". As you stated in the review, the 3D was effective in doing what it was intended to do. Rating 3D should be dropped if it can't be rated based on anything more than whether it provides enough "jab" effects to suit those people who have a need to have things poked in their faces during a movie.
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Posted March 25 2011 - 11:39 AM

Thanks cannot wait to see Tron & the Grid in BD
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#4 of 51 OFFLINE   Matt Hough

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Posted March 25 2011 - 02:09 PM



Originally Posted by Edwin-S 

I don't get the review marks for the "3D" in this film. 3.5 out of 5 and yet the review states the 3D was effective. What rates a 5 out of 5 in terms of 3D? A lot of cheesy "poke out" effects? The 3D should be rated strictly on its intended use within the context of the film and in this case the intent was to create an added differentiation between the external "real world" and the internal "computer world". As you stated in the review, the 3D was effective in doing what it was intended to do. Rating 3D should be dropped if it can't be rated based on anything more than whether it provides enough "jab" effects to suit those people who have a need to have things poked in their faces during a movie.



If I think there were effects in the film which would have benefitted from a more demonstrative use of projectile objects, I will take marks off from the perfect score of 5. They don't have to be "cheesy" to be integral to the 3D and more effective than what is offered. A 3.5/5 is indicative of a B in another rating system, I think a fair estimation of the way I saw the 3D used in the film:good but not great.




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Posted March 26 2011 - 04:39 AM



[quote]Originally Posted by Edwin-S [url=/forum/thread/310022/htf-blu-ray-review-tron-legacy-tron-2-movie-collection-3d-blu-ray-combo-pack#post_3793817]


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Posted March 26 2011 - 05:21 AM

Paul, Everyone has their own individual tastes towards what they like or dislike when it comes to 3D. I believe in the repeated description provided for THE HTF 3D ADDICT, I talk about liking the novelty of the technology.  In other words, I like my 3D to be exploited.  Lots of things coming out of the screen (within reason). I do understand that there are many that don't like their 3D to be full of gimmicks.  They just want a simple sense of definition in their picture. I found the 3D in Tron to be effective -- meaning there is a sense of separation.  Many people will be happy with that. However, the best 3D I seen (even without the gimmicks) is where a picture window has been created where the separation is so well defined that there is a cardboard cutout feel of characters and objects being on two different levels.  For me, that is the kind of 3D you look at and say, "WOW!" Tron doesn't have that look or feel.  And you know what?  There may be many that are happy that it doesn't.  However, as someone who has watched and reviewed well over 30 3D titles over the course of a few short months, I think I have a good feel for what I consider to be exceptionally well done 3D. Frankly, I thought Tron could have looked better here. ....but again, it's all subjective and nobody is going to agree across the board about how good or bad it looks.   I thought "effective" was a good term.

 

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Posted March 26 2011 - 05:46 AM

Ron, Essentially, I agree with what both you and MattH are trying to convey. My problem is that I'm having a hard time figuring out if both of you are talking about the Tron Legacy 3D film that was projected in the theater, which I viewed in RealD digital 3D, or if it was further flawed when reproduced as a Blu-ray 3D reproduction. IOW, the movie was a 3D disappointment to me in the theater, but I can't fault the Blu-ray 3D for that if it is a faithful reproduction of the source. Paul
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Posted March 26 2011 - 06:36 AM

Paul, It sounds like we are on common ground here. If you were disappointed in the theatrical 3D of tron then I would say that Matt and my opinion kind of comes in alongside yours. I am guessing if you thought the 3D was lackluster in the theater, it won't look any better in the home. I know someone on this forum who is claiming that theatrically, TRON was the best 3D he has ever seen. So, again, this is a subjective technology. However,  I think its safe to assume by all our three opinions alone that there is much better 3D to be seen elsewhere. I would like to know when ghosting is introduced. I believe it has everything to do with disc authoring and the quality of the display to handle such problems. I am no expert on this,so take that as my best guess.

 

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Posted March 26 2011 - 11:23 AM

Since you think 3D is most effective with a lot of "jab" effects, I'm not sure I can take your idea of what constitutes "good" 3D seriously. I mean Yogi Bear is "good" 3D because a lot of junk gets thrown at the camera, but the Tron:Legacy 3D is not so good because it mainly maintains most of the 3D effects behind the plane of the screen. 

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Posted March 26 2011 - 11:30 AM

Edwin, you don't have to take it seriously and you don't have to agree with me. Read what I said again.  It is a subjective opinion. However, I bet you can show a group of people both YOGI BEAR and TRON side-by-side and most would pick YOGI BEAR as having the superior 3D image. ....and it's not based on what gets thrown at the screen.  YOGI BEAR has that reach-in, picture window, cardboard cutout 3D look in just about every scene. TRON looks much more flat throughout.

 

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Posted March 26 2011 - 12:51 PM

Okay, I guess I can see what you are getting at. You are talking more about the, for lack of better words, deep field effect similar to those IMAX films. I have to admit that I like the flatter look of films like Tron:L because they are not so hard on the eyes. I watched a bit of one of the IMAX films on a 3D set and the depth of field was huge, but after a few minutes I felt like my head was going to explode. It felt like I was seeing double and my eyes felt like they couldn't find a focal point. They were all over the place. However, I can also see the appeal of that effect to a lot of people because the depth of field is impressive. At least, I think I now have a better idea of what you might consider "reference" 3D to be.

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Posted March 26 2011 - 01:02 PM

Edwin, You got my point perfectly. My idea of WOW factor my not be your idea of WOW factor. However, when I review 3D films and rate them high to low, I take into consideration  what I think audiences are going to be most impressed with. I think those films with the "deep field effect" have more of a WOW factor than those that do not. I don't feel TRON needed any 3D gimmickry, but I was disappointed that with all its beautiful computer visuals, there wasn't more depth of field present.  You look at the final 20 minutes of the film and you wonder why the 100 minutes that preceded it didn't look quite as good.

 

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Posted March 26 2011 - 02:12 PM

I've been pondering all evening a possible change in nomenclature from "3D quality" to something else. a "3D proficiency" score or a "3D versatility" score. I'll keep thinking aout it.

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Posted March 27 2011 - 03:36 AM

With Tron, Yogi Bear and Tangled coming over the next 3 weeks Im in 3D heaven!  Thanks guys for the reviews!
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Posted March 27 2011 - 05:42 AM



Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein 

I would like to know when ghosting is introduced.

I believe it has everything to do with disc authoring and

the quality of the display to handle such problems.

Same here!

If the stereo picture source is pristine and there is no ghosting on either the left or right picture elements then only the 3D-eyewear, disc-authoring, or display-limits can remain as possibilities for producing ghosting artifacts.   If the particular 3D disc is not the problem, then artifacts have to come from either the eyewear, display performance or both.

After my display setup choices have been optionally implemented for decreasing 3D ghosting artifacts on my two fast-phosphor plasma displays, it has become a minor concern for me at this point in time and IMO, I find viewing 3D Blu-ray's very close to what I experience at the theater.

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Posted March 27 2011 - 10:43 AM



Originally Posted by Edwin-S 

Okay, I guess I can see what you are getting at. You are talking more about the, for lack of better words, deep field effect similar to those IMAX films. I have to admit that I like the flatter look of films like Tron:L because they are not so hard on the eyes. I watched a bit of one of the IMAX films on a 3D set and the depth of field was huge, but after a few minutes I felt like my head was going to explode. It felt like I was seeing double and my eyes felt like they couldn't find a focal point. They were all over the place. However, I can also see the appeal of that effect to a lot of people because the depth of field is impressive. At least, I think I now have a better idea of what you might consider "reference" 3D to be.


I would think that "impressive depth of field" is the point of 3D.  If you don't have that, then it might as well be flat 2D.  I saw TRON: LEGACY in an Imax 3D screening, and it was the most useless, lackluster 3D I've ever seen in the theater; it would have been much better as a 2D screening, because then I wouldn't have had to wear glasses throughout the whole damned thing and I would have saved money too.



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Posted March 27 2011 - 10:48 AM

Jeffrey, I am sort of relieved to hear that. I knew writing a negative review about Tron's 3D quality would garner backlash. I didn't see the film theatrically.  I almost could not trust what I was seeing on Blu-ray.  When I hear comments like yours, at least I feel better about my review, knowing I am not alone in my opinion.

 

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Posted March 27 2011 - 12:05 PM

I saw TRON: LEGACY in 3D in a regular multiplex, and there was nothing going on, neither effects nor depth of field. Like ALICE IN WONDERLAND and CLASH OF THE TITANS it may as well have been in 2D.

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Posted March 27 2011 - 05:56 PM

It's not a "throw stuff at the camera every five minutes" kind of movie, but what effects there were worked for me at the IMAX screen I saw, and when I saw it later at another screen in the same multiplex. I have to wonder how many digital 3D venues haven't been calibrated/maintained properly, and are now undermining the whole experience. Just like bad projection once ruined many a 50's 3D film.

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Posted March 27 2011 - 05:56 PM



Originally Posted by Jeffrey Nelson 




I would think that "impressive depth of field" is the point of 3D.  If you don't have that, then it might as well be flat 2D.  I saw TRON: LEGACY in an Imax 3D screening, and it was the most useless, lackluster 3D I've ever seen in the theater; it would have been much better as a 2D screening, because then I wouldn't have had to wear glasses throughout the whole damned thing and I would have saved money too.

I will agree with this. I found Legacy's stereo to be beyond lackluster.

So much of the movie was FLAT. I found it so hugely disappointing. The world of Tron presents so many creative opportunities to make use of the 3D format, far more than just pop out, and yet director Joseph Kosinksi is barely able to even maintain a consistent perception of depth throughout the film.


Ultimately I found Legacy to be a disappointing film on all fronts, lackluster 3D, an incoherent and badly paced story, and uninspiring action.








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