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#1 of 21 OFFLINE   Bubslug

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Posted December 22 2010 - 08:05 PM

Hi Everyone,


So after a year and a half of construction, my house is almost complete. The electrician is currently installing all the plugs/fixtures, and home automation will follow soon after...


So before my home theater installer started with anything, I requested an estimate last week for all the finishing of home automation equipment and labor. I was shocked to see the estimate was over $100,000. This is apparently only 5% over his cost. The house is over 7000 sq/ft, however the estimate is still very high.


I have already paid about $20,000 for all the pre-wiring during the rough in stage.

My budget for complete home automation including touch panels, speakers, amps, control equipment etc is $50,000. This is for home automation only and not including the home theater.


The main issue seems to be the Elan system which he spec'd for the entire house. Just the Elan HC12 System Controller is almost $6000 by itself. Here is the breakdown of some of the main components :


Elan TS7 Touchscreens x 4. $1245 each

Klipsch CDT-5800-C (Kitchen Speakers x 4) $375 each

Klipsch RW-5101-C (Kitchen Subwoofer x 1) $525

Klipsch CDT-5650-C (Kitchen Nook x 2) $290 each

James Loud Speaker PL-39 (above plasma tv in family room) $1890

James Loud Speaker S62 (Symphonic 2-Way Bookshelf for family room x 2) $860 each

Klipsch R-5650-W (In wall dining room speakers x 2) $290 each

Klipsch R-3650-W (in wall living room speakers x 2) $240 each

B & K REF200.7-BK Multi-Channel Home Theater Amplifier, 200 Watts X 7 Channels. $3150
Elan D12. 12 Channel Digital Amplifier x 3.  $2500 each
James Loud Speaker M1000 Subwoofer Amplifer x 3. $1000 each
Klipsch RSA-500 amp x 1. $735

Elan C2 Communications Controller $1000

Elan HC12 Systems Controller $6000

Elan S128P Multi - Room A/V Controller $5135

Elan V8 Video Switcher $1000

Elan V85 Component Video Controller $2058

Gefen EXT-HDMI-CAT5-444 (Extends 4 HDMI Sources to 4 Displays) $2799

Rti RP-6 Advanced Control Processor $730


Here are some additional facts :


1. I'd like to have 60w per channel for optimum sound however I dont need to blow the roof of the house. I just want a system that sounds good when entertaining.


2. I'm not a super techy kind of guy. I barely have any apps on my iphone. I just want a basic home automation system that is stable.


3. I do however want an amazing sounding home theater when I get it set up in the summer. Therefore should I spend more money on equipment now?


4. I dont have any issue with the price of the speakers. Its just all the expensive amps and controllers that I have issues with.


5. The entire home has been pre-wired using Elan wire. Hopefully another system such as RTI or Control 4 can use that same wire if necessary?


6. I wouldn't mind using Ipads or an Android tablet as in-wall touch panels.


7. All of my lighting control is handled by Centralite which has its own panel.


8. My budget for home automation is $50,000 ($20,000 which i've already spent on pre-wiring) which leaves $30,000.


So my question is can I power all the speakers mentioned above adequately and have a decent home automation system for $30,000 or less? If so, what type of alternative setup do you recommend?


Thanks




#2 of 21 OFFLINE   keithVANhorn

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Posted December 27 2010 - 12:17 PM

My question to you is if your budget was for $50K, why did the CI spec the system shown? If that was the proposal from the start, why is the cost now an issue? Normally the system is approved of before prewire, equipment and all! That's how we do it. That way there is no "shocker" bill coming later. We always wire for the future, so hopefully when you tell your CI that's too steep, he can dumb down the equipment more to your liking (should have been done sooner).


We are Elan and Nuvo dealers so I could only suggest the Nuvo Grand Concerto. You would be losing a lot if not all of the automation you get with the Elan system. But the Nuvo stuff works. A smaller Elan system might work as well. Talk to your installer and see what he suggests.




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#3 of 21 OFFLINE   Alex Menard

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Posted January 01 2011 - 06:03 PM

Oh my, perhaps I am new to this, but if I had a $100K budget, my installer would be told my budget is 60K.

He is ripping you off my friend.


See below for what dealer cost is)



Elan TS7 Touchscreens x 4. $1245 each   ( $800 )

Elan D12. 12 Channel Digital Amplifier x 3.  $2500 each ($1700)
Elan C2 Communications Controller $1000 ($825)

Elan S128P Multi - Room A/V Controller $5135 ($ 3800)

Elan V8 Video Switcher $1000 ($660)

Elan V85 Component Video Controller $2058 ($1500)


email me and I can sell you at cost plus 5%. Real cost plus 5%, not what you are being told



#4 of 21 OFFLINE   keithVANhorn

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Posted January 02 2011 - 05:34 AM

I'm not a big fan of posting dealer cost of anything on an internet forum. Just saying. I would never post our cost of anything. Leave that for PM's or phone calls.


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#5 of 21 OFFLINE   Alex Menard

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Posted January 03 2011 - 05:01 AM

Normally I am not either, I like to make margin, but this guy was getting a real crappy end of the stick. My point is to display how bad his contractor is. Everyone tries to hide things like they are a major secret. Sometimes someone has to standup

#6 of 21 OFFLINE   rf5000

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Posted January 06 2011 - 09:37 AM

Hello, do you have any used elan equipment?



#7 of 21 OFFLINE   IBOK

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Posted January 18 2011 - 04:22 AM

Cmon Alex, Huge rookie mistake!



#8 of 21 OFFLINE   Adam Gregorich

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Posted January 18 2011 - 04:56 AM

Bobby, Welcome to Home Theater Forum.  It would be helpful to know how may displays and ambient audio zones you are looking at.  You mention that this is for home automation, but I only see audio and vido distribution.  If that is the case you have plenty of other options.  Kevin already suggested Nuvo which will provide a lot of the same functionality (but no video) for a fraction of the cost.  The Request IQ system is also a good alternative: http://www.request.c.../wholehouse.asp  For the prices you are being quoted I would also look at Crestron Prodigy which would be able to integrate your lighting, HVAC and security too: http://www.crestron....ome_automation/ Control 4 would be another option as well.  I know for sure that the Request and Crestron can use iPads and iPhones as touchscreens, not sure about the others.



What 4 video sources are you going to distribute via this gear?



Elan S128P Multi - Room A/V Controller $5135 Elan V8 Video Switcher $1000

Elan V85 Component Video Controller $2058

Gefen EXT-HDMI-CAT5-444 (Extends 4 HDMI Sources to 4 Displays) $2799

You have almost $11 grand in video distribution to what appears to be 4 displays.  Why not just put a cable/sat box and Blu-ray player at each TV location?  It would be a lot cheaper, and who wants to walk to the other end of a 7,000sf house to put in a DVD or Blu-ray?




#9 of 21 OFFLINE   Chomperoni

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Posted February 03 2011 - 12:47 PM

I am building a home and in a similar situation as the OP, I would be interested in purchasing Elan equipment that my qualified friend can then install. If interested please PM me.



#10 of 21 OFFLINE   Dennis Eakin

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Posted April 29 2011 - 11:10 AM

I have just bought a small condo (3000 sq ft) had it gutted an then completely wired for all electronics etc.  Just got a bid $170,000 after they did wiring for

$18,000.  I want light controls, video, remote from iphone etc  any ideas. Dennis



#11 of 21 OFFLINE   Adam Gregorich

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Posted April 29 2011 - 12:51 PM

Welcome to Home Theater Forum Dennis.  You have an interesting situation since the wiring is done.  It really depends on how and what they wired for. We need more info, so I'll initially have more questions than answers.  Did they wire your lights up like a regular house, or to central panels?

Tell me a bit more about what you mean or want when it comes to video.  Did they wire for HVAC control?  What about security and audio?  Since they gave you a bid what system(s) are they planning on installing?  Does that 170k including lighting fixtures?


#12 of 21 OFFLINE   Avery Greenberg

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Posted June 25 2011 - 02:07 AM

Hello Alex,


I saw your post an was interested in getting a quote.  Are you able to get any Elan equipment with 220v?  Where are you located?  Is there any sales tax invovled.  What about delivery costs?  Do you have a webiste I can view?


Thanks


Avery Greenberg



#13 of 21 OFFLINE   Mingnz

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Posted October 03 2011 - 03:18 PM

Hi are you still selling Elan products?

#14 of 21 OFFLINE   Mingnz

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Posted October 17 2011 - 09:51 AM

:)

#15 of 21 OFFLINE   ohmy

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Posted November 02 2011 - 08:54 AM

My personal opinion is that Alex Menard should be banned from this forum. Very poor judgement call on posting cost!

#16 of 21 OFFLINE   Mike Frezon

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Posted November 02 2011 - 02:01 PM

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#17 of 21 OFFLINE   ohmy

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Posted November 02 2011 - 08:30 PM

Mike, sent you a PM.

#18 of 21 OFFLINE   chaz1315

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Posted December 14 2011 - 02:40 AM

I have some estimates on an Elan System that I need to do a comparison shopping on. I am ready to purchase and would need quotes for equipment and pissible the install but not 100% sure on the i9nstall. All the pre-wiring was done already. Please call Jessica Ramroop at 877 4737826 or email her at jramroop@servcoind.com

#19 of 21 OFFLINE   Betosan

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Posted September 27 2012 - 06:25 AM

I have several pieces for the elan legacy system what parts do you need, I have enoght to make a compleate 8 zone system work, abcourse they are not new.

#20 of 21 OFFLINE   Adam Gregorich

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Posted September 28 2012 - 06:08 AM

Betosan, it would probably be better if you created a classified ad (free) in the classifeds section and put a link to it here.






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