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#21 of 48 OFFLINE   Paul Rossen

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Posted November 26 2012 - 06:36 AM

The Blu-ray is too dark. It did not look like this upon theatrical release. The film was recently shown on Cable HD and it looked fine. Go figure?

#22 of 48 OFFLINE   Richard--W

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Posted November 26 2012 - 06:56 AM

Could it be some kind of malfunctioning copyguard or macrovision?

#23 of 48 OFFLINE   Robert Crawford

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Posted November 26 2012 - 07:52 AM

Since, this is one of my favorite films of all-time, I'm going to revisit it tonight on my new Panasonic TCP65VT50 plasma display in a darken room.  I'll report back if my thoughts on this BD have changed with this new display.


I just noticed that this BD is 8.99 at Amazon.





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#24 of 48 OFFLINE   Dave H

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Posted November 26 2012 - 08:17 AM

Great display you have there! Getting it pro-cal'd?

#25 of 48 OFFLINE   Richard--W

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Posted November 26 2012 - 08:19 AM

Let us know what you think. I'm convinced. The light and dark values are way out of proportion. This looks like an activated macrovision run amuck. There is a real possibility that some of the blu-rays were defective when they left the factory, or all of them. Before anyone asks the blu-ray player is plugged directly into the Sony Bravia via hdmi cable. No inbetween units.

#26 of 48 OFFLINE   MattAlbie60

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Posted November 26 2012 - 08:20 AM

I just noticed that this BD is 8.99 at Amazon.

I was very pleasantly surprised when I found it for $3 at Walmart on Black Friday.

#27 of 48 OFFLINE   Walter Kittel

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Posted November 26 2012 - 08:27 AM

I'm pretty sure that Macrovision only applies to Standard Definition Analog outputs and has no presence in High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP). - Walter.
Fidelity to the source should always be the goal for Blu-ray releases.

#28 of 48 OFFLINE   Richard--W

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Posted November 26 2012 - 08:33 AM

Then the transfer went wrong in the telecine stage.

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Posted November 26 2012 - 09:03 AM

I haven't seen the Mohicans disc, but I have seen a handful of blu-rays that were mastered with the wrong black level - 7.5IRE rather than 0IRE. But this results in the disc being too bright, not too dark.
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Posted November 26 2012 - 11:18 AM

The only suggestion I would make to those who find the image too dark is - If you have not done so, try viewing the Blu-ray at night in a low light environment. Personally, I am still quite pleased with this release. - Walter.

I thought this release was a little bit green and a little bit dark, but overall I felt it closely resembled my cinema viewing experience of long ago...It's still one of my favorite films of all time. It's right up there with Lawrence of Arabia, Man 2, or many, many, many other titles of the first rank.

#31 of 48 OFFLINE   Robert Crawford

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Posted November 26 2012 - 11:53 AM

I played the disc in its entirety while utilizing the THX Cinema setting on my display and thought the disc looked beautiful and had no issues with it being too dark.  I'm afraid this darkness issue will remain unresolved between those that disagree with that issue.







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#32 of 48 OFFLINE   Robert Crawford

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Posted November 26 2012 - 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Dave H 

Great display you have there! Getting it pro-cal'd?

You betcha!







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#33 of 48 OFFLINE   Steen DK

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Posted November 26 2012 - 10:22 PM

Well, that's how I watched it. In the dark. Then I compared it to the old DVD which is too bright but closer to how it's supposed to look. The blu-ray is too dark.

Ditto. My projector is calibrated and other BDs look fine. This one is just absurdly dark. Scenes that clearly take place in sunlight (judging from shadows) look more like dusk. Scenes that take place at night are practically unviewable and often have loads of black crush. (I could prove this with screen caps, but I'd better not go down that route. :P )

#34 of 48 OFFLINE   JoshZ

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Posted November 27 2012 - 04:44 AM

Just curious, how many are watching this on displays with adaptive contrast features active? Could that be skewing the results? (I haven't watched the disc myself. Just throwing out a theory.)

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#35 of 48 OFFLINE   Richard--W

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Posted November 27 2012 - 08:05 PM

Good question. In my case, the answer is no.

#36 of 48 OFFLINE   Steen DK

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Posted November 28 2012 - 07:58 AM

Same here.

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Posted November 30 2012 - 09:17 AM

Watched the Region B release of this tonight on an ISF calibrated panel. Way too dark - to the point of not being watchable. Switching on the "dynamic contrast" actually helped - never had to do that before with any movie. I appreciate low light movies - most of Peter Hyams films are like this, but this was the worst I've ever experienced. I have the UK theatrical release DVD - the next time I want to watch this, it will be via the DVD and not the BD. Although I was well warned in advance - still disappointed.

#38 of 48 OFFLINE   Joe Bernardi

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Posted December 01 2012 - 03:05 AM

I watched the Blu-ray on my 120" projector screen. I love it the movie and the Blu-ray! It's one of my favorite owned movies. I have no complaints about it being too dark. I'll happily watch it many times in the future.

#39 of 48 OFFLINE   David_B_K

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Posted December 01 2012 - 04:46 AM

I'm kinda surprised to see the return of the 'it's too dark/no it's not' controversy re LOTM. I thought it too dark as well, and it is the only title that causes me to change an adjustment on my TV. I don't remember if the Blu-ray looks the way the film looked when I saw it in the theater; but I doubt there would have been a controversy if Mann were not such an inveterate post-release tweaker.

#40 of 48 OFFLINE   Richard--W

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Posted December 01 2012 - 04:56 AM

The blu-ray is too dark.





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