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#21 of 73 OFFLINE   Adam Lenhardt

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Posted August 06 2010 - 04:39 AM

If that's the case, it's almost like these studios are trying to undermine the format. In order to qualify as a Blu-Ray, shouldn't all titles play on all players... at least the movie itself?



#22 of 73 OFFLINE   Michael Reuben

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Posted August 06 2010 - 05:24 AM


Originally Posted by Adam Lenhardt 

If that's the case, it's almost like these studios are trying to undermine the format. In order to qualify as a Blu-Ray, shouldn't all titles play on all players... at least the movie itself?



I can't blame studios for problems that are inherent in the format. Blu-ray was launched before it was complete. That's why there are players out there that can't implement every advanced feature. So, if you're a producer creating a Blu-ray, what are your options? (1) Forgo any combination of advanced features that might cause an early-model player to choke, or (2) push the medium trying to develop cool new features?


Believe me when I say that I'd prefer option 1, but I understand the impetus to go with option 2. As for long load times in general, don't blame the studios. Blame the people who created the Blu-ray spec. If I were a conspiracy theorist (and I'm not /img/vbsmilies/htf/smiley_wink.gif ), I'd say that BD-Java was all part of Sony's master plan to sell more PS3 units.


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#23 of 73 OFFLINE   robbbb1138

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Posted August 06 2010 - 06:59 AM




Originally Posted by Michael Reuben 

According to the specs listed at CNet, the Sony BDP-BX1 is a profile 1.1 player. Given how Lionsgate is loading its latest discs with advanced features, I suspect that a profile 2.0 player may be required to play them.


I haven't gotten around to acquiring Kick-Ass, but everything that people are describing sounds similar to what I experienced with Daybreakers.


This is the first title where I've had this issue, and I know I've watched some recent Lionsgate titles since I watch pretty much every new release, so maybe it's just a bad disc (it's from Netflix, so it's not like I'm out anything if I just return it and say it was defective).  I've been updating it with all of the firmwave, so it's BD-Live capatible and everything.  I just haven't needed to connect it to the Internet because I've never been impressed with the BD-Live features on any disc to buy the hardware I'd need for that.



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Posted August 06 2010 - 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by robbbb1138 

This is the first title where I've had this issue, and I know I've watched some recent Lionsgate titles since I watch pretty much every new release


I've reviewed numerous Lionsgate Blu-rays for HTF. Only recently have they started loading them up with memory-hungry and processor-intensive special features. The tip-off is the inclusion of Metamenu and BD Touch, which I hadn't seen on a Lionsgate disc before Daybreakers.


Originally Posted by robbbb1138 
I've been updating it with all of the firmwave, so it's BD-Live capatible and everything.


It sounds like your player is upgradeable to profile 2.0. If so, and if you've done the upgrade, it may just be a matter of giving the disc enough time to load -- and I mean as much as 10 minutes.


You can try exchanging discs, but I doubt that will make a difference. The issue you're describing doesn't sound like a damaged disc.


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#25 of 73 OFFLINE   Todd Erwin

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Posted August 06 2010 - 09:43 AM

It may also be an issue with the amount of available space on your flash media.


I recently had an issue with a disc I rented from Netflix (Warner/New Line's 17 Again) that simply would not load on my Panasonic BD60. The disc would spin up, the screen would go black, then the player would revert to its own splash screen and the disc would stop. The disc would play fine on my Sony PS3.


After a call to Panasonic Tech Support, they suggested removing the 1Gb SD card, replacing it with a larger capacity card (in this case 4Gb) and having the player format it. Lo and behold, that seemed to fix the issue.


The tech told me that although the spec originally called for a minimum of 1Gb of available space, Panasonic is recommending a minimum of 2Gb for their players. Sony may say the same thing.



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Posted August 06 2010 - 12:07 PM




Originally Posted by Michael Reuben 

It sounds like your player is upgradeable to profile 2.0. If so, and if you've done the upgrade, it may just be a matter of giving the disc enough time to load -- and I mean as much as 10 minutes.


You can try exchanging discs, but I doubt that will make a difference. The issue you're describing doesn't sound like a damaged disc.


I'll try playing around with it again tonight.  My player tends to go to an error message and stops trying to load if it takes more than 3 or 4 minutes to load.



#27 of 73 OFFLINE   Adam Lenhardt

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Posted August 06 2010 - 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by robbbb1138 

I'll try playing around with it again tonight.  My player tends to go to an error message and stops trying to load if it takes more than 3 or 4 minutes to load.


That could be the problem then. My BD60 took quite a bit longer than that to get to the menu for this disc.



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Posted August 07 2010 - 07:32 AM

The disc took about 2 minutes to load in my BD-85.


As far as the film itself, so far, it's my favorite film of 2010, so now it's much more than a guilty pleasure for me.






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#29 of 73 OFFLINE   robbbb1138

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Posted August 07 2010 - 12:14 PM




Originally Posted by Adam Lenhardt 


That could be the problem then. My BD60 took quite a bit longer than that to get to the menu for this disc.



Thanks everyone for the help.  I've been meaning to get a second player so that I can watch my BRs in more than one room, so I think I'll take the hint and get one now with WiFi.



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Posted August 07 2010 - 03:05 PM



Originally Posted by Michael Reuben 

According to the specs listed at CNet, the Sony BDP-BX1 is a profile 1.1 player. Given how Lionsgate is loading its latest discs with advanced features, I suspect that a profile 2.0 player may be required to play them.


I haven't gotten around to acquiring Kick-Ass, but everything that people are describing sounds similar to what I experienced with Daybreakers.


The BDP-BX1 is the Costco version of the BDP-S350, which is Profile 2.0. I stuck an 8GB USB stick in mine, and had very few problems with it when I had it hooked up to the internet. I've since moved houses, and will probably have to go either wireless bridge or powerline ethernet to get BD-Live up and running, and I just don't have the time or the energy to do either right now. I'd rather just watch the movie.


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Posted August 09 2010 - 05:47 PM

I just spent the last couple hours listening to the commentary track, which I thought was phenomenal. It was apparently recorded shortly after the premiere and after party, and you can almost hear him sobering up as the movie goes on. For all of that, Vaughn takes the effort seriously, alternating between practical tidbits of how various shots and production aspects were achieved with the unique war stories that come from making an independent film like this one. Most gratifying, he invests in the sincere character beats as much as I did -- it's nice when you can tell a filmmaker cares about the things you cared about. Mark Millar is suck a cynical S.O.B. that it's hard to invest in any of his work. Most of the changes Vaughn and screenwriter Jane Goldman made were toward the point of making Big Daddy, Katie etc. less alienating than they are on the page and polishing Millar's iffy dialogue. Because Vaughn doesn't have much of a bedside manner, he's honest, airing disagreements and frustrations with his crew that a more personable director maybe wouldn't. As a listener, it was great to get a window into what went wrong as well as what went right. Just a highly recommended track, if you love filmmaking or just love the movie itself.



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Posted August 10 2010 - 06:28 AM

I could not get this BD to load in my 3-year old Sony 300.   Firmware updates can only go so far.

It was just the excuse I needed to go looking for a new BD player.  I settled on the Sony 570.  Man oh man, what have I been missing!?!?!!!!!  

This player is nearly instant on. It's lightning fast, loaded w/ new features and the Kick-Ass BD, even with all its' gadgets and live material loaded right up almost instantly.  

I suspect that we'll start to see more discs like Kick-Ass that push features & cause problems for the older BD players.  But frankly, I'm so glad I upgraded players, I don't mind.  It is a great disc and will buy a copy very soon (rented for my first viewing).


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Posted August 13 2010 - 05:49 PM



Originally Posted by Adam Lenhardt 

This definitely had the longest load time of any disc I've played so far. And a good five minutes of that load time was with a completely black screen, which had me nervous. I think it's because of all of the LG Live overlays and gadgets. Once the disc finally made it to the menu it worked without a hitch. Terrific transfer, and a terrific making of documentary.


This has got to be due you your brand of player. I watched this twice over the past two days, once on my ps3 and again on my s370. Load times were under a minute on both machines.

 

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Posted November 01 2010 - 02:09 PM

Amazon has this for just $12.99 right now!


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#35 of 73 OFFLINE   Adam Lenhardt

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Posted November 01 2010 - 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Ron-P 

This has got to be due you your brand of player. I watched this twice over the past two days, once on my ps3 and again on my s370. Load times were under a minute on both machines.


A couple weeks after Ron and I had this exchange, one of the firmware updates from Panasonic resolved the issue. Just FYI for anyone with Panasonic players holding off on this disc because of what they may have read.



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Posted November 03 2010 - 06:17 AM

I found the deal yesterday and ordered it.  Last week they had The Wolfman for $12.99 and now it's back up to the mid-$20s, so now's a good time to jump on this one.


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Posted November 03 2010 - 10:04 AM



Originally Posted by Neil Middlemiss 

Amazon has this for just $12.99 right now!



 Best Buy has it for the same price, in-store.



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Posted November 03 2010 - 10:41 AM

^ thats exactly why amazon has it for that price this week.


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Posted November 03 2010 - 11:34 AM

Given the Director's comments on wanting to put out an extended cut, and a sequel due in two years, it seems pretty likely this will get another release soon enough. Hopefully with better picture quality.


Just something to keep in mind.


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Posted November 05 2010 - 05:48 AM

As far as I can tell, the sequel is not even a sure thing, let alone "due."


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