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#41 of 105 OFFLINE   Cees Alons

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Posted August 10 2010 - 09:20 AM

Ron


I second Man's suggestion to give the Kata line a look.


I "discovered" these bags roughly a year ago, and I now own several: one or two to hold my gear during travel and a few (bigger ones) to serve as a concise storage at home for different "groups" of equipment.


Works like a charm.



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#42 of 105 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted August 10 2010 - 09:32 AM

Glad to hear you guys approve of Lowepro.


Mann and Cees, thanks for the recommendation

of Kata bags.  Just went to the site.  They look

great.


Kind of hard for me to take a serious look at
them right now after just having bought a Lowepro,

but I have bookmarked the the page for future

reference when researching my next bag.


Thanks again.


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#43 of 105 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted September 05 2010 - 02:12 AM

Having moved away from the idea of getting any sort of
Double Strap system to hold my hear while at a trade show

(though I will still probably buy the RS-5 Strap), I am now

looking at bags that I can strap on my shoulder and carry

around.

 

I need a large, long bag that will hold not just a DSLR,
two lenses and flash -- but a camcorder and batteries as well.

 

Looking at BHPHOTO, one of the top rated consumer review

bags is the Domke F-2 Shoulder Bag.
 

I would probably consider this bag, that is, unless someone

wants to share the name of a really nice bag they own.

 

Another strong contender is the Think Tank Urban Disguise 60

which holds a 17" laptop which makes it perfect as a carry-on

and as a walkaround shoulder bag at a trade show.

 

 

(May try to get out to B&H in another week or two)


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Posted September 05 2010 - 03:22 AM

Ron, the Think Tank bag does not look like a genuinely functional bag to me.  Something that is shaped to carry a laptop is not going to be properly shaped for camera equipment.

 

That Domke bag is a classic, decades old design.  I used that bag years (as in almost 30) ago, but had moved to a larger one, though I still have it.  I have actually been planning to go back to that bag.  It says it can handle two bodies, but it can't hold them with lenses installed, so not really.  With digital that usually isn't a problem and you only have one body anyway.  I would just move the center section to one side so you can put a body with lens facing up on the other side.

 

Actually, now that I look at it closely, it will take two bodies with lenses so long as they aren't the very large bodies, but it is perfect for one body with lens, and a small video camera.  That bag was originally made by a company called Atan here in Boulder, CO.  They went out of business and sold their designs to Domke, as I recall.  The Domke is built with tougher fabric.  It is an excellent bag and I can't imagine you regretting having it.  After all, I have kept it and another, smaller Atan bag for all these years.


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Posted September 05 2010 - 03:54 AM

Ron, for your amusement, here are the bags I have for "Roll Film" cameras.  The sheet film stuff goes in entirely different, much larger stuff.  To put the size of these bags into perspective, the Domke bag you linked, which is hardly small, is the one in the front right.  All together, there are 3 Atans (now Domke) and 3 Lowe Pros.
 

http://static.hometh...um.com/imgrepo/

 

The middle left bag is what I had been using for digital/35mm, but I will probably switch to the front right for digital only.  I figured it was about time to take the 35mm stuff out.  I use the rear right bag for my Bronica SQ-A medium format outfit.  I am actually planning to start shooting film again for the first time in years and I plan on using it and some large format.  That black MF bag is a beast.  It weighs at least 40 lbs, but it has 8 lenses, probably 6-8 films backs, several hoods and filters, 2 viewfinders and so on.  Bronica made GREAT cameras that are completely modular.  There used to be a second body in the bag, but I took it out to accommodate several new lenses.


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#46 of 105 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted September 05 2010 - 04:02 AM

 

 

Ron, the Think Tank bag does not look like a genuinely functional bag to me.  Something that is shaped to carry a laptop is not going to be properly shaped for camera equipment.

 

You are correct.  That's the problem.

 

I bought the Fastback backpack (post #37) to solve two problems:  How to carry lots of

camera equipment and two, how to use it as a carry-on that will support a laptop.  Nobody

wants to check their laptop in their luggage. Too much chance for theft.

 

Problem I face now is that the backpack is just not a good idea for use in a crowded

trade show.  I need something that can be slung on the shoulder.

 

Yes, the Think Tank bag is not the best bag for all that I will need to put in it.  However,

it is the closes thing I could find that acts as the perfect carry-on for luggage and a 17"

laptop.   The airlines only allow one carry-on and a personal item.  However, not certain

I can get away with putting a Domke bag in the overhead bin and a 17" laptop under the

seat (or perhaps I can).

 

What do you think?

And, what bag did you get that is larger than the Domke.  I might consider that.


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Posted September 05 2010 - 04:11 AM



Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein 

 

 

 

The airlines only allow one carry-on and a personal item.  However, not certain I can get away with putting a Domke bag in the overhead bin and a 17" laptop under the

seat (or perhaps I can).


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That's exactly what I would try to do.  Do you want to carry the laptop around with the camera all the time?  I sure wouldn't.  I don't see any bag that carries a laptop being convenient and functional for camera equipment to be carried used and accessible.


The Hybrid System

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The Surround Part: Sherbourn PT-7030, Thiel SCS3, Emotiva XPA-5, Polk & Emotiva Surrounds.


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Posted September 05 2010 - 04:16 AM

Probably each airline has its own interpretation of one overhead item and one personal item, but on Southwest I am able to board with both an extra large duffel (with my Tamrac Velocity 7x and photo equipment nested inside) and a Brenthaven backpack that holds my MacBook Pro and a bunch of other stuff. You don't want to check your laptop or photo gear not just because of theft, but because there's a very good chance that equipment will be damaged during transit.



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Posted September 05 2010 - 04:22 AM

Thanks for sticking with me on this, guys.  Thank you Michael.

 

Think I found the answer then.  Buy a functional bag and

board with a separate 27" laptop bag.

 

John, getting back to my original question....

 

Do you recommend the Domke bag for my DSLR,

camcorder, two lenses and a flash or should I go with

something slightly bigger?  I see a bigger bag in your

photo.  What would you recommend?  Remember, it

has to be able to fit in the overhead.

 


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Posted September 05 2010 - 04:44 AM

Ron, that Domke bag should work great.  It will easily hold all your equipment.  I don't know what Lowe Pro currently makes, but the smallest bag I have from them (the blue/grey on middle left) is called "Magnum 35", so I'm sure they changed the name.  It is much larger than you need.  There is a basic design difference between Lowe Pro and Domke to consider.  Lowe Pros have thicker padding (maybe too thick) and it is everywhere, including the top and all the side pockets.  Domke uses minimal padding, with none on the top.  This makes their bags small and efficient, but you need to be more careful.  Everything on Lowe Pro also zips shut.  Again, that is both good and bad.  Better protection, but slower access.  Neither is right or wrong and each has its advantages and disadvantages.  When I was in high school and my camera use was more rapid and "journalistic", I used the Atan/Domke.  Once I got to college and my use was more "commercial", deliberate and slow paced, I switched to the Lowe-Pro.


The Hybrid System

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The Surround Part: Sherbourn PT-7030, Thiel SCS3, Emotiva XPA-5, Polk & Emotiva Surrounds.


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Posted September 05 2010 - 04:50 AM

One other thing Ron.  With the Domke bag, you might be able to put a padded laptop carrier on top of the camera equipment, then strap the top cover over it and put it all in the overhead.  That just might be the best of all options, but the only way to know is to physically try it.


The Hybrid System

The Music Part: Emotiva XSP-1, Thiel CS 3.6, Emotiva XPA-2, Marantz SA8004, Emotiva ERC-3, SVS PB-12 Plus 2

The Surround Part: Sherbourn PT-7030, Thiel SCS3, Emotiva XPA-5, Polk & Emotiva Surrounds.


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Posted September 05 2010 - 04:53 AM

John,

 

You have been tremendously helpful.

 

Think I will go with the Domke bag and a fairly cheap

laptop bag that I can put under the seat.

 

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Posted September 05 2010 - 04:58 AM

If I need a slightly larger Domke bag there is also the F-1X Shoulder Bag

that should guarantee a nice fit for all my equipment


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Posted September 05 2010 - 05:10 AM

Ron, that is a very large bag, and it seems to be designed not so much for more stuff as for bigger stuff.  It looks to me like it could hold a medium format camera or the large digital cameras.  You don't want the compartments so large that your camera rattles around loose.  My gut feeling is the F2 is the better fit.


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Posted September 05 2010 - 05:16 AM

John, you own the F2, right?

 

You are absolutely sure it will hold:

 

* Nikon D90

* Two lenses:  18-55 and 70-300

* Speedlight

* HD Camcorder
* Batteries


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Posted September 05 2010 - 05:28 AM

Ron, I'm making no guarantees.

 

I was just switching my digital stuff over to it.  Right now it has a D200 w/18-70mm, SB-600, a Minolta hand held light meter, a 20-35mm, 70-180mm, 200-400mm and batteries and there are still some outer pockets open.  It depends on the size of your video camera, but I expect my 200-400 is larger than it is.  Everything is snug, as it should be, but not overly tight.


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Posted September 05 2010 - 05:38 AM

Of course, there is probably no real drawback to the larger bag.  The cameras may be a little less cramped.  That was a modification Domke did and it wasn't available when I got mine.


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The Surround Part: Sherbourn PT-7030, Thiel SCS3, Emotiva XPA-5, Polk & Emotiva Surrounds.


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Posted September 05 2010 - 05:54 AM

John,
 

Here is a picture of my Sony HC1 (which is 5 years old)

 

http://static.hometh...um.com/imgrepo/

 

I would say about 7.5 length and 3.5 height

 

You gave me a lot to consider.  Definitely the Domke bag.  Just

have to figure out if the Domke F2 will be big enough of I have to

go to the F-1X.  If I go with the larger bag I will probably add foam

inserts to protect the gear.

 

John, you have been a Godsend.


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Posted September 05 2010 - 06:01 AM

Ron, as I recall that larger bag is no taller or deeper, just a bit longer.  I believe the padded 4 compartment insert is the same on both.   So, you end up with more camera room at either end.  There probably isn't any real down side to that, so the larger bag probably isn't a bad idea.


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The Surround Part: Sherbourn PT-7030, Thiel SCS3, Emotiva XPA-5, Polk & Emotiva Surrounds.


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Posted September 05 2010 - 06:11 AM

At ~3.5" x ~7.5", the camcorder would be quite close to the dimensions of a 70-200 f/2.8 telezoom -- but probably a good bit lighter and not as strong.  Maybe that would help put it into perspective for a camera bag choice.

 

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