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#1 of 91 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted July 24 2010 - 11:06 AM

Looking at the Nikon d5000 kits at Best Buy.


There seems to be two body/lens kits at a rather

significant price difference.


The first kit, the lower priced one is here:

http://www.bestbuy.c...d5000&lp=2&cp=1


It features camera and extra 55-200mm Vibration reduction zoom lens for $950



The second kit is much pricier:



http://www.bestbuy.c...d5000&lp=1&cp=1


It features camera and extra 70-300mm AF-S VR Telephoto lens for $1270


It looks like the different telephoto lenses are what sets the prices apart.


Is it worth going for the more expensive kit based on the lens?

 

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#2 of 91 OFFLINE   Sam Posten

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Posted July 24 2010 - 12:45 PM

Ron those kit's aren't what I'd get.   I'd get the 70-300 for sure but separately from the kit.  It's SUPER sharp and great for daytime sports, and you can get it for under $400 by itself.  The package you show doesn't have a normal zoom, just the tele.


And let's face it, Best Buy is usually a pretty TERRIBLE place to buy a DSLR from IMO (despite the fact I bought my D5000 there, shhh!)  Go with B&H, Adorama, Beach or even Amazon, bud.



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#3 of 91 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted July 24 2010 - 12:58 PM

Sam,


I have to purchase from Best Buy.  I can finance my purchase

for 36 months by doing so.  Can't do that with most anyplace else

though I will look at Adorama and Beach (but I doubt they have

financing programs).


And why is Best Buy so bad?  The product is the same.  Does B&H

offer a better return policy?


Now as for your advice....


I don't understand your recommendation.


The kits come with a normal lens and some sort of telephoto lens.

One kit (the more expensive one) seems to have a better lens -- or

at least that is what I presume.


Neil Middlemiss bought the lower-priced d5000 kit and he is taking

great pictures, interchanging the lenses as needed with no problems.


So, if all I want to do is have a lens to take normal everyday
photos and a lens to do telephoto from the back of a large room

or across the yard you are saying neither of those kits have the

right lenses?

Does Best Buy sell the lenses you would recommend?  I would

buy just the body and the lenses separately.


Greatly appreciate all your help.


 

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Posted July 24 2010 - 09:58 PM

Ron,


I would 2nd the recommendation for that Nikon 70-300mm VR, if you opt for the Nikon D5000, especially if you think you might want to go fullframe some day.  Most of the other options you mentioned so far (in the other thread) seem to be digital crop lenses, which wouldn't work on a fullframe DSLR.  Not sure where Sam can get that lens for under $400 though -- maybe he meant under $500(?).


I'm curious though.  Are the photo opps in places like Comic-Con really well lit enough for these consumer telezooms?  I think you mentioned that's a big catalyst for your desire to upgrade now (instead sticking w/ your old G6).  I'm just a little skeptical about using the long end of these teles (even w/ the image stabilization) for that kind of use.


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#5 of 91 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted July 25 2010 - 12:55 AM

Man,


Okay, so it looks like I should go with the more expensive

kit that has the 70-300mm VR.


A few more questions if you don't mind...


First, what do you mean by full frame?  I now what full frame

means in the Home Theater Room (compared to anamorphic).

However, I don't know how that translates to photography.


Are the photo ops well lit?  The room is not, but the subject

(from a distance) is as there are bright lights on stage.

So, I take it these cameras need a lot of light.


I am happy to buy just the camera body and then better

lenses separately.  However, that would involve someone

from this forum taking the time to look at the Best Buy or

One Call website and actually linking the lenses they think

I should purchase for either the Nikon d5000 or the Canon

Rebel T2i.


 

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Posted July 25 2010 - 03:23 AM

Ron, you could get this, which has the camera and basic 18-55 lens...


http://www.onecall.c...l-SLR/_/R-97343


And this, which is the better telephoto lens that has been discussed...


http://www.onecall.c.../Lens/_/R-34019



I think the Best Buy kits you linked do not have the 18-55 lens, but the links no longer work.  Maybe it was a package that expired last night.  The ones I find today, like this...


http://www.bestbuy.c...050003&st=d5000


have the 18-55 in the picture, but not in the description.  Also, you are right that there is probably no reason to avoid Best Buy.  It's not like there are any places left to buy camera equipment who offer actual help.  B&H is an enormous stockhouse that has been in business for decades.  I used to buy most of my film from them.  Best Buy is fine, you just won't get any quality help, but you won't anyplace else either.  OneCall is fine.  Through my own manufacturer experience, I would never buy from Beach or Adorama.  The one thing Best Buy gives you is a store to walk into if you want to return, but of course, you pay tax.


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#7 of 91 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted July 25 2010 - 03:30 AM

John,


Thanks....

What is the difference with the One Call links (camera and zoom lens) totaling approx. $1300

and the Best Buy link you provided totaling $1300 but with bag and DVD included?

Same camera and lenses as the One Call?

Also, I take it in both the One Call and Best Buy links the camera comes with a normal

lens to take everyday pictures?

So, once again. both the One Call dual links and the Best Buy one link is the same

camera and lens?  If so, the Best Buy looks to be the better deal since it has bag and DVD

thrown in.


EDIT:  John, look at that Best Buy link again.  It does mention the 18-55 lens under FEATURES
but double check.



 

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#8 of 91 OFFLINE   JohnRice

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Posted July 25 2010 - 03:33 AM

I did some looking, because I don't keep up on what lenses are currently available.  Anyway, Man makes a completely valid point that your are unlikely to be able to use the longest range of the 70-300 lens in your situation.  I don;t know how important the overall cost is, but it might make sense to get the d5000 body only and this lens....


http://www.onecall.c.../Lens/_/R-99776


which would be a great all-in-one lens and I am guessing it is better at the wide range than the kit 18-55.  This one lens would also eliminate the need to carry a second lens in virtually any situation you are ever likely to encounter.


I'm sure Sam and/or Man can provide info on how well rated this lens is.


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Posted July 25 2010 - 03:37 AM

John and all,


In addition to the above...


If I decide on the Canon Rebel T21 this would be the combination I would like to consider?


http://www.bestbuy.c...l t2i&cp=1&lp=1


and


http://www.bestbuy.c...enses&cp=1&lp=6


(Which at $650 is a wildly expensive lens). There is a 55-200mm lens here:


http://www.bestbuy.c...d=1205245979459


 

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#10 of 91 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted July 25 2010 - 03:47 AM

John,


I know I am still asking a lot of questions here but

it is helping me narrow my choices.


So if I go with the Nikon you are recommending body

only and an all-in-one lens?


 

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#11 of 91 OFFLINE   JohnRice

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Posted July 25 2010 - 03:53 AM

Ron, one thing, don't get too wrapped up in megapixels.  That is the watts per channel of the digital camera industry.  While that isn't entirely a fair comparison, because if a camera has XX megapixels, it has them, but it does not equate to image quality, and higher pixel counts can even result in lower overall image quality.


The second Canon lens you linked is a "kit" lens and will be ok, but not as good as the other lens.  It seems you want good image quality.   Just keep in mind that the camera is only part of that.  The lens can make or break it.  An alternative you might consider the Canon body only and this lens...


http://www.bestbuy.c...0&skuId=9553645


or for more money, more versatility with this lens...


http://www.bestbuy.c...2&skuId=9065174



If you do want better image quality, you probably just want to stay away from any of the kit lenses.  These more expensive, more all-in-one lenses are probably a better option, and are more convenient.  Once again, Man and/or Sam can probably provide quality ratings on these lenses.


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Posted July 25 2010 - 03:58 AM

John,


The megapixels doesn't concern me.

So, with the Canon Rebel T2i you recommend body only:


http://www.bestbuy.c...l t2i&cp=1&lp=2


and this lens


http://www.dpbolvw.n...2&skuId=9065174


And you are suggesting that one lens will do both normal and excellent telephoto pictures?  Remember,

I want to take normal everyday pictures that are close and also telephoto pictures from afar.


 

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Posted July 25 2010 - 03:59 AM



Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein 


So if I go with the Nikon you are recommending body

only and an all-in-one lens?


As we cross post, I am just suggesting, all in all, that with either Canon or Nikon, you should consider forgoing the kit lenses altogether and opt for a higher quality, more all-in-one lens.  You will lose some of the longest telephoto (up to 300 mm) range, compared to the more expensive telephoto options, but you will gain convenience, quality and may not spend much more, or may even spend less.  Some of the long range zooms these days seem to be incredibly good, but you will have to spend at least $500.  Just think about not having to carry a second lens.


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Posted July 25 2010 - 04:02 AM

John,


Yeah we are cross-posting.  Thanks for your patience.


I don't mind carrying an extra lens if that lens will help

me take great telephoto pictures.


My only fear is that everyone has different advice and with

every new person that posts I seem to be starting at the

beginning again.


Just want the best bang for the buck without spending
a fortune on expensive lenses.  At most, I am willing to

dish out $1400-$1500 for body and lenses that will help

me do great normal and telephoto pictures. However,

getting that price point nearer to $1000 would be a bonus.


In any event, you guys have been VERY helpful.  Just

have to decide on Canon or Nikon.


 

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Posted July 25 2010 - 04:04 AM

Yes Ron, both Nikon and Canon make an 18-200, which should cover virtually anything you would ever need, in one lens.  It's more expensive, but I suspect it is also better and it is clearly more convenient.


The basic thing is, those kit lenses are cheap, and not all that good.


I'm curious what those other guys think of these 18-200s.  I;m sure you can search for reviews of them.


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#16 of 91 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted July 25 2010 - 04:18 AM

...and I don't mind carrying around two lenses.


I kind of like the idea of swapping out lenses -- one

for normal pictures and one for telephoto.



 

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Posted July 25 2010 - 04:29 AM

That makes a difference then.  Perception is important. /img/vbsmilies/htf/smiley_wink.gif


Just keep in mind that 18-55 kit lens is not going to be that great.  However, compared to a point-and-shoot, it will be fine.  It's all relative.


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Posted July 25 2010 - 04:38 AM

Okay, let's start here.


If I go with the Canon Rebel T21


This camera and lens:


http://www.bestbuy.c...tract_desc=null


Plus this telephoto lens:


http://www.bestbuy.c...3&ref=39&loc=01


Total cost: $1550



If I go with the Nikon d5000:


The camera and lens:


http://www.bestbuy.c...d5000&cp=1&lp=2


Plus the telephoto lens:


http://www.bestbuy.c...d=1173578368318


Total Cost: $1350


The Nikon seems to be a way better deal but I will have you guys check out those specs.


 

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Posted July 25 2010 - 04:52 AM

Ron, that is the wrong Canon lens.  The equivalent to the Nikon lens you linked would be this one...


http://www.bestbuy.c...4&skuId=7528703


Still more expensive overall, but that is because the Rebel is more expensive.


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Posted July 25 2010 - 04:56 AM

Okay I fixed the link. Thanks, John.


So the question is, between the Nikon and the Canon packages
in post #18 is there a preference or change you would make?


Actually, the difference in price between the two brands ($200)

is negligible since I would have to spend at least that much

on a speedlight for the Nikon.


 

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