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#1 of 716 Ronald Epstein

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Posted June 07 2010 - 08:59 AM

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Posted June 07 2010 - 09:13 AM

I'm thinking about letting my wife choose her phone's color and I'll take the other one: it would be an easy way to tell whose is whose :)



#3 of 716 Ronald Epstein

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Posted June 07 2010 - 09:58 AM

Here are all the details concerning AT&T's upgrade policy


What is interesting here is the prices of the phone for those

forced to pay full price.  The cheaper phone is only $399 and

the higher capacity $499.  That's $100 cheaper than the phones

were the last time out (if I am remembering correctly).


That's not bad.  I could easily go to a low-capacity iPhone

(I don't use it for music anyway) for $399.


Of course, there is an extra $29 charge for the dock.


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Posted June 07 2010 - 10:32 AM

Some thoughts on the new iPhone.


The new screen is a watershed in personal computing. We will now be using screens producing print-quality images. Text can be displayed without requiring anti-aliasing. And unlike OLED, this is an "honest" 300 ppi resolution, with no need to massage special color or edge cases. And it should be reasonably visible in daylight, also in contrast to the OLED screens. The next big deal will be when we get an iPad-class device with 300 ppi. That would require a 2400 x 1800 screen in the 9.7" iPad. That's probably several years away.


Traveling, I have my phone and iPod and book and magazines. iPhone, no surprise, integrates the phone and iPod. But now I can consider it as an integration of my reading materials. I'm not sure; this is new territory for me. And I can still read my analog book during takeoff and landing, while the iPhone must be powered off.


720p video + iMovie on iPhone = another step away from traditional computing. I record my Toastmaster speeches on a FlipHD, import to iMovie (which takes 15+ minutes), do light editing, and watch. The new iPhone means I can record, edit, and watch sooner, easier, with no import step. This is interesting. I also fits in with my view of abandoning a conventional computer for personal use in the near future. It is getting easier to forsee doing everything I do on an iPad and iPhone. The missing steps are ...


What's still missing is removing the shackles of the computer as the home base. I want to take photos and video on my iPhone and move them to my iPad without a middleman. I want to share documents between them, and even print, and share online with no "computer" to handle the transfers. This seems to be where Apple truly, in its DNA, lags Google. And in the way that no one seems able to buy the style and deep finesse that Apple has, it remains to be seen if Google's grokking of the cloud will forever escape Apple's grasp. I hope not.


Which brings me to a final thought. Sam said that Apple has "jumped the shark". That original meaning of that phrase refers to not the moment when a show goes from awesome to aweful, but rather when it has reached its peak. It can  no longer truly get better. This may be the case for the iPhone. I say that not to impugn Apple but to marvel at what they've acheived: we have the ultimate in telecommunications devices with print-quality display, a handheld computer capable of video editing, a complete media consumption ecosystem, living-in-the-future video chat,  and a video / still camera that's probably quite good for almost everything vacation & holiday. And it will get you through the day. And it has omnipresent 'net access.


What else is there? Everything else is beyond Apple's control. More storage: up to the RAM manufacturers to produce it cheap & small enough. Longer battery life: up to the battery technology people. Cheaper, faster wireless bandwidth: dependent on the telecoms. More and cheaper media (movies, music, books): substantially dependent on the Media Co.'s.


The biggest issue I see is the aforementioned cloud-integration.


Hardware will get cheaper, faster. Next year's iPhone will be better. Heck, there will be an HTC SuperDuper in 3 months that best the iPhone 4. But, in many ways, we've achieved perfection. The iPhone 4 has everything, does everything.


We've reached the end of big jumps in abilities. Everything to follow is incremental, refinement.


Unless I'm wrong. Which would be fine. :)



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Posted June 07 2010 - 10:39 AM



Which brings me to a final thought. Sam said that Apple has "jumped the shark".



I think that comment was made during the announcement of Farmville for the iPhone.


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Posted June 07 2010 - 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein 

I think that comment was made during the announcement of Farmville for the iPhone.


Yup.  Just horrendous use of DEVELOPER keynote time.


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Posted June 07 2010 - 10:53 AM



We've reached the end of big jumps in abilities. Everything to follow is incremental, refinement.


Unless I'm wrong. Which would be fine. :)



Just as a counter: I believe you couldn't be more wrong.  While it may not be within apple's wheelhouse to change, 4G will completely change everything we think about phone devices.  That's not a ha-ha, that's just a fact.  Things which are from a technical viewpoint completely impossible will be a given.  iphone4 offers video chat (at 640x480,FYI.. base VGA) and it can only do it over WiFi.  4G means you could stream double the data rate without wifi.


Pitch to device?  Possible in 4G, not at all possible here, etc.


Apple took a big swing for the fences here with the new integration of Exchange 2010 teaming, their first real play in a major, major way at the business market.

But the real next generation devices are a year away.  And Apple took their shot today with the best they can offer.. today.  And they should be commended.  Lots of great, great features.  (again, I still think the iAd integration, and the way it's being handled just screams "turkey" but that's me)


I'm glad that this really grabs hold of people.. lots of really pretty incredible announcements.  I will have to see it and play with it (again, for me the actual "phone" part is the most important, and this is the part that to me, Apple has really sucked at).  If they can make phone management.. especially speakerphone functions markedly improved over the 3GS, then this will absolutely be the phone to beat.

That having been said, it's hard for me to "leap" into a 2 year contract when I know ATT is in the middle of a monumental nationwide rollout of LTE to get 4G compliant by next year, and I know when LTE is available I will want to switch, immediately.


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Posted June 07 2010 - 10:55 AM

If you are unsure of your upgrade eligibility, DO THIS:

http://theappleblog....de-eligibility/


Call “*NEW#” aka “*639#


You will get a text message telling you if you are eligible.  I bought on day 1 of 3GS and am eligible for the cheap upgrade.  You should be too if you are in the same boat.  CALL and find out for sure!


If it isn't obvious they are trying to lock you in as long as they can in the face of possible Verizon deals.  If you can wait, wait.  If you don't mind paying to jump when that happens, jump at the early upgrade!  You'll have TWO AT&T iPhones to sell in the meantime!  =)


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Posted June 07 2010 - 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by mattCR That having been said, it's hard for me to "leap" into a 2 year contract when I know ATT is in the middle of a monumental nationwide rollout of LTE to get 4G compliant by next year, and I know when LTE is available I will want to switch, immediately.


Me too, and I will gladly pay for that privilege then.  The question is, do I want the worlds best phone on a 2nd rate carrier in the meanwhile?  I think the answer is going to be yes but I'm still not sure.


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Posted June 07 2010 - 11:04 AM



I bought on day 1 of 3GS and am eligible for the cheap upgrade.



Well, we are in the same boat but I got a message that I am not eligible

for an upgrade until 2/11


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Posted June 07 2010 - 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein 

Well, we are in the same boat but I got a message that I am not eligible

for an upgrade until 2/11


OK, did you call that today or earlier in the week?  many peoples changed today.  The difference may be that you werent a new iPhone customer for the 3GS, you did an upgrade to get that from an earlier one...


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Posted June 07 2010 - 11:15 AM

Hands on demo:

http://www.slashgear...vation-0788737/


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Posted June 07 2010 - 11:17 AM

Looks like I'm eligible for the cheap upgrade so I'll be upgrading my 3G. The new iPhone 4 does pretty much everything I want in a phone and I've never had a single dropped call with AT&T (knock on wood).

What I'd like to do is get the iPhone 4 and keep my 3G as a second line for the wife. Is this possible?

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Posted June 07 2010 - 11:19 AM

The FacePlant, er FaceTime, movie is up and Sam Mendes earned his pay:

http://www.apple.com...#facetime-video


Actually apple are now saying that's not the Mendes video.  Huh.


Gruber weighs in:

http://daringfirebal...010/06/iphone_4


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Posted June 07 2010 - 11:44 AM



Originally Posted by mattCR 


Just as a counter: I believe you couldn't be more wrong.  While it may not be within apple's wheelhouse to change, 4G will completely change everything we think about phone devices.  That's not a ha-ha, that's just a fact.  Things which are from a technical viewpoint completely impossible will be a given.  iphone4 offers video chat (at 640x480,FYI.. base VGA) and it can only do it over WiFi.  4G means you could stream double the data rate without wifi.

You both agree and disagree with me. Apple has perfected the device within their control. Even with a next-gen network, what will change with the device? Video chat over the cell is a refinement of what we see today. It's better, faster, cheaper than what we have today, but it's a refinement of what we have today.


But as you know, rule of thumb is every order of magnitude of network speed increase brings in new usage and business paradigms. We've seen this for wired broadband. We're seeing it for cell-wireless. 4G could give us new uses, new tools, new businesses that are currently impractical or even unimagined.



As for Farmville: isn't that like the most popular game in the world? Housewives are playing it and spending money on it. That's a market every developer would kill to have. It seems that's the *only* choice for such a keynote: the guys making big money on big new markets with massive growth potential.



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Posted June 07 2010 - 11:45 AM

Sidenote I found at Engadget: 802.11 n !!! My home network is slowly moving to n. I need a Tivo Premiere to complete the transition.



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Posted June 07 2010 - 11:47 AM

Everything you need to know:

http://www.tested.co...e-iphone-4/394/


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Posted June 07 2010 - 11:53 AM

Engadget has an interesting summary of all phones:

http://www.engadget....e-plus-and-hd2/


Thinking about the 64GB issue...no one has it yet. The EVO looks like the strongest competitor to the iPhone 4, and it comes with a paltry 440MB built in memory. You need a microSDHC card for more. These currently max out at 32GB with an MSRP of $199. That makes a 32GB EVO $100 more than a 32GB iPhone. That will drop as these uSD cards drop in price. So...will there be a 64GB microSDHC card before there's an iPhone 5 with 64GB?



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Posted June 07 2010 - 01:49 PM

I have a couple of images from the phone that Apple has on their site and wondered what the areas I pointed out are.


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What is this on the side of the phone?



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Is this a second headphone jack on the side of the phone?



What are prices going to be without a contract on the phones? I was thinking that it would be cool device to get without a contract, use my mobile Wifi with it and Skype for the phone.


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Posted June 07 2010 - 02:25 PM

Microsim card slot.  2nd Mic for noise cancellation.  $599 and $699 without contract.


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