Posted December 09 2010 - 09:13 AM
This message is long but I suggest you read it all if you think white van speakers are a scam!
Wow I don't know why i'm even responding to this, if you don't know what your talking about, then don't say anything at all! Kaleb, I give you props, your right on just about everything but not Germany lol, Walldorf is a town in Germany and there are a few companies with the name, but just check the spelling. The guy who is arguing with you just doesn't know what he's talking about, i'll even admit I would think buying from white vans is sketchy before I started doin it myself.. I wouldn't have bought, and I don't blame the people who don't, the dumb people who buy and don't even set it up then slander the products I blame though. I work for the company in Georgia, they scam their workers more than customers, btw they're "independent contractors." This whole idea has been going on for over thirty years across the world by many different people. Many different "pitches" and "showings" have gone on, and whats normally used today is from a learning experience over previous speakerguys, proven to be the best way to sale them. If you know what an MSRP is, you'll know most products never sells for that price, it was a made up number, they might not drop the price as much as we do (90% drop sometimes), but well known companies like Sharp and Samsung do the same thing. Making people think they're getting a good deal is in just about everybody sales tactics, not just white van speaker guys. As far as saying they're $70 dollar speakers cause that's what we pay?? You apparently don't know what buying bulk from manufacturers is, which i don't see how cause it's common sense. The Samsung UN65C8000 is a 65 inch LED 3d TV that's retails at $5,999.. You can get the SAME EXACT TV w/o name in bulk for under $500 if you want, just fly out to china with $1,000,000 plus shipping costs (which is more than people think, you have to actually think about how many it is, just 20 of them is a lot).. I don't even want to know how much Samsung is paying, but apparently they're scammers according to yall, when they're just a company trying to make money to live happy, selling to another company that has to accomplish the same thing, and a lot times there's even another company past that (This is where you'll find it pretty close to MSRP and they don't sell em often). You can even order that bulk deal online from chinese suppliers but I would suggest you not cause of all the REAL scammers (Earn your trust, say your getting a product, collect the money, disappear ... or Trademark counterfeit when they are really pieces of shit - That is a scam when you get ripped off) ... some speaker guys are true scammers, they're selling stuff for $500+ dollars that puts out like 5 watts per channel, really poorly made speakers, you'd spend like $50 prob at Best Buy for it... The brands i've sold (Wahldorf, Diamond Venus Digital) would be more at a place like best buy than what I normally sell for (average $250, which profits me like $20, I promise it's the speaker guys really getting scammed almost none of them except for the manager and his main guy make money, because they get paid off the sets .. it's very rare we walk away with $500+ in a day, it does happen sometimes tho .. happens more often to speaker guys who lie saying wired speakers are wireless or passive sets are powered, i'm not the type to lie like that, the biggest lie I say is it says $2200 on the box which isn't a lie, lol). Thats how the owner makes money, makes his own name and designs for a box, has a chinese manufacturer make a bulk order, which isn't as many as companies like Samsung so he doesn't get a good enough deal to sell to places like Best Buy ... Best Buy only represents one OEM like that, which is their own, Insignia. SO I guess best buy is a scam too lol. I'm not exactly sure how much the owner pays, but I know it's under $100.. and collects $230.. He has to pay insurance on his shops and vans, rent on the shops, his distribution center, employees (which is few cause it's usually independent contractors paid 100% commision), so forth. He does not have nearly as many expenses as a multi billion dollar corporation, which allows a shop pay in around $200 and he can still see a return from his investment substantially higher than investing in something like a bank, he did have to put his heart and soul building this company. So yes the owner pays under $100 for the set not including all the other expenses, gets $200 while the middleman (speaker guy) makes his money past that. It's a job, and a job pays money, same thing as all the major corporations on a smaller and low key scale. Some are true rip offs, most white van companies aren't though, and all of my companies products would go for quite a bit at a store. I sold a Diamond set to a friend, which I wouldn't do if they were shitty, and they sound better than my Sony home theater which I spent $400 for a year ago, Sony probably paid $20 if that but i'm not bitching online saying they're scammers. Plus that Diamond set I sold didn't have a warranty, Wahldorfs do have a warranty quit saying they don't !!! Just look inside the box, most manufacturers make a 1-3 year warranty, that's why places like Best Buy are worse than us cause they try to get you to buy their warranty when you already have one lol.. granted it is easier to just go to the store and switch it out much quicker if you buy a stores warranty.
Also calling it a scam depends which definition you go by, the ones listed by that one guy aren't only definitions I can find... What I consider a scam is ACTUAL FRAUD which is ILLEGAL .. What we do is not illegal in the sense of fraud, otherwise I would be in jail! I've only worked for the company for a month and have had to deal with the cops three times, once they found out what we were doing we were free to leave... All they did was check to see if they were stolen and the company existed. A lot of counties require you to have a "license to sell", a lot of counties don't.... Regardless it is illegal for the simple trespassing purposes on places like Home Depot, which only lasts for a few minutes so most places don't care, and the cops sure as hell haven't, one county said we are welcome back but can't sell there unless we make an established location and only sell out of it... so we haven't been back there.
I really could go on for a while cause i've read multiple forums since I started this job and just kept my mouth shut til now, so i'm just gonna hold it in and make a simple end
Whoever thinks we're ripping people off is dumb (very few speaker guys do nowadays)... we might use methods of deception to make people think they're getting a better deal than they are, but the truth is most people still do get a good deal, just not $2000 off! We're known as one of the biggest scammers online though because people are too stupid to set them up! Do your research before you run your mouth about a product, at least set the thing up and hear it, receivers aren't that expensive .. go on ebay and spend $100 for a good one (Your retarded if you spend $500 for one at best buy unless you have it like that). Set it up to the RMS (not whats advertised on the box, most all companies put the max on the box - which will blow the speakers after a little while), the Diamonds had 150 watts rms to each channel, and 250 watts rms for the sub, that's 1000 watts rms you have and your complaining about spending $200-300?? (I get real sick of the people who paid $150 and whine, I don't know that speaker guys position, he could've been high up, but most likely he took a loss out of profits on other meets to meet quota so he didn't have to deal with whining from boxx) Try going to Best Buy and get 1000 watt system for much more ($500+++) and RMS is going to be a lot less than 1000 watts... plus most of the ones that do have a receiver built in dont put out near the speakers RMS).
I'm not saying that what we do is the most ethical way of doing things, unfortunately that's business if you look into it, all companies do unethical shit.. Much are way worse than us, that Insignia brand by Best Buy I think is way worse than us, they charge so much for them and they are direct OEM speakers, but they are still pretty much the same thing as the well known brands and make a lot more money off it, so they aren't scammers they are just smart. Quit running your mouth and grow a pair and buy a bulk order of something from chinese suppliers and see how much profit it returns. I give the people props who support American manufacturers, they have my respect but not my money cause they charge way too much, all I can afford is products made by exploited little kids in China paid cents on the hour, all of yall are going to hell with me unless you've truly only bought American products. BTW anybody who said they're gonna kick the next speaker guys ass they run into, come to Georgia and run up on me during my route before I leave this company... i'm lookin forward to seeing it. I'm quitting before I write a whole book. Just if your sketched out about buying from a van, be polite and say no thanks (i'm just asking if you want a home theater, i'm not saying "HEY F***FACE, YOU WANT A HOME THEATRE??), don't be a dick and quit wasting space on the internet talking trash when we do the same thing name brand corporations do just on a smaller scale ($50 dollars for $200, instead of $300 for $6,000! Honestly I bet Samsung pays a lot less than $300 if you can get the same model number for $500 just for a 1,000 set order), and we will have a problem if you waste an officers time on me, I actually almost had two cops buy from me, one of them was actually one that was called on me cause we supposedly were either scamming or had stolen stuff cause of people who don't know what they're talking about). I promise the majority of the people who have bought have been happy with the product, people don't complain online however that they just spent $200 on a 1000 watt system and it sounds great. All you have to do is like Kaleb was saying, use common sense when your buying shit, don't buy used stuff without testing it, ours stuff is clearly new with 10 crispy sets in the van with manufacturers tape on it and everything is in original packaging. Then just ask questions, if you don't know anything about it, then you just gotta use the best judgement you can, nothing is wrong with walking away even though there is a chance your walking away from a hell of a deal, a lot of times though if it sounds too good to be true than it.