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#261 of 439 OFFLINE   dpippel

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Posted November 13 2011 - 10:38 AM

Count me in for a definite buy if Criterion releases Spartacus on Blu! I'd love to send the sorry job Universal did on the current release to the trash bin of history.

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#262 of 439 OFFLINE   OliverK

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Posted November 14 2011 - 04:16 AM

Doubtful.  While a proper investment for the copyright owner, this would be ridiculously expensive for any entity with limited license for distribution. Keep in mind that this is not only large format, but the equivalent of two films. RAH
This is unfortunately true for several large format films that have been released as similarly flawed Blu-Rays or not released at all.

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Posted January 17 2012 - 03:34 PM

Can the brilliant results that Criterion achieved with their DVD edition of "Spartacus" not be replicated to some degree in a Blu Ray release? The "50th Anniversary Edition" Blu Ray actually looks worse on a giant home theater front projection system, than an upconverted screening of the Criterion standard DVD.

#264 of 439 OFFLINE   Kevin EK

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Posted January 17 2012 - 05:04 PM

Spartacus could indeed be done in brilliant fashion on Blu-ray, but unfortunately that does not seem to be an option for the forseeable future. I too have held on to my Criterion SD DVD for just this reason.

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Posted January 18 2012 - 02:03 PM

So Universal is celebrating it's hundredth anniversary. Hurray! And they're still popping out sub-standard discs of many of their top titles. I too would love to have a quality Blu-ray edittion of Spartacus and was hoping the anniversary would prompt them to redo the film which is arguably the crown jewel of their catalogue. But no, not a word. You'd think they'd be ashamed of themselves, especially since the producer and star of this epic is still with us.

#266 of 439 OFFLINE   Kevin EK

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Posted January 20 2012 - 03:35 PM

To be fair, the Blu-ray of Spartacus is not a part of the 100th Anniversary.  They just plan to repackage what they already released rather than making a new disc.  You could certainly argue that if they're going to correct what went wrong with Out of Africa, it's inexplicable why they wouldn't do this one as well.  My belief is that it would be a lot more work that they are not committed to doing.   OTOH there's clearly a lot of work going on with the other titles.

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Posted January 21 2012 - 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin EK /t/300552/a-few-words-about-spartacus-in-blu-ray/240#post_3889549 To be fair, the Blu-ray of Spartacus is not a part of the 100th Anniversary.  They just plan to repackage what they already released rather than making a new disc.  You could certainly argue that if they're going to correct what went wrong with Out of Africa, it's inexplicable why they wouldn't do this one as well.  My belief is that it would be a lot more work that they are not committed to doing.   OTOH there's clearly a lot of work going on with the other titles.
This is why i intensely dislike whoever is running Universal studios and their video department, Spartacus is a film that deserves to have money spent on it and they knew this was their 100th anniversary year, if studio's don't want to spend a tiny amount of money ( in relative terms ) on new 4K/8K film scans then perhaps they shouldn't bother releasing any older titles at all, that's if they think DNR and EE added to old masters are substitutes for a quality new film scan, too much short term thinking these days and not enough long term plans, they would make the money back long term and preserve their film library better by restoring older films that need restored ( now rather than wait ) and making new 4K or 8K scans ( 35mm - 70mm ) now will give us, the film fans, the very best picture quality possible and ehance Universal's reputation among the videophile community.   I know from the Jurassic Park poll i did late last year that some reviewers and the owners of this site do not agree with my views on Universal but i also know that many other people do agree, if Sony can do 4K scans and then farm some of their releases out ( think Fright Night ) then i can only hope that Universal do the same at some point in the future.   Wrong thread to talk about Fright Night but that's how you do justice to an older title, new 4K scan, original artwork on the cover and isolated audio score and the 5.1 remix is subtle and sounds very clear and open and does not try and bulldozer the original mix by adding sounds that were not there or boosting the bass in an artificial manner, although i do wish all discs contained the original sound mix as well as any remix, i really do not care for extra content that i will hardly ever watch, a few deleted scenes, some bloopers, original theatrical trailers and perhaps some commentaries is enough for me.   Spartacus is a classic that deserves a new 8K film scan, the restoration work is as far as i am aware complete and all it needs is a new film scan that would be relatively cheap to do ( five figure sum ) so why Universal don't do it is a mystery and i can only conclude that penny pinching bankers now run some/most of these studio's.

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#268 of 439 OFFLINE   Robert Harris

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Posted January 21 2012 - 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by FoxyMulder /t/300552/a-few-words-about-spartacus-in-blu-ray/240#post_3889738 This is why i intensely dislike whoever is running Universal studios and their video department, Spartacus is a film that deserves to have money spent on it and they knew this was their 100th anniversary year, if studio's don't want to spend a tiny amount of money ( in relative terms ) on new 4K/8K film scans then perhaps they shouldn't bother releasing any older titles at all, that's if they think DNR and EE added to old masters are substitutes for a quality new film scan, too much short term thinking these days and not enough long term plans, they would make the money back long term and preserve their film library better by restoring older films that need restored ( now rather than wait ) and making new 4K or 8K scans ( 35mm - 70mm ) now will give us, the film fans, the very best picture quality possible and ehance Universal's reputation among the videophile community.   I know from the Jurassic Park poll i did late last year that some reviewers and the owners of this site do not agree with my views on Universal but i also know that many other people do agree, if Sony can do 4K scans and then farm some of their releases out ( think Fright Night ) then i can only hope that Universal do the same at some point in the future.   Wrong thread to talk about Fright Night but that's how you do justice to an older title, new 4K scan, original artwork on the cover and isolated audio score and the 5.1 remix is subtle and sounds very clear and open and does not try and bulldozer the original mix by adding sounds that were not there or boosting the bass in an artificial manner, although i do wish all discs contained the original sound mix as well as any remix, i really do not care for extra content that i will hardly ever watch, a few deleted scenes, some bloopers, original theatrical trailers and perhaps some commentaries is enough for me.   Spartacus is a classic that deserves a new 8K film scan, the restoration work is as far as i am aware complete and all it needs is a new film scan that would be relatively cheap to do ( five figure sum ) so why Universal don't do it is a mystery and i can only conclude that penny pinching bankers now run some/most of these studio's.
Actually, all that Spartacus would need is a 4k scan from a 65mm interpositive.  Very little color correction beyond tweaking what is already there.   RAH  

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Posted January 21 2012 - 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Harris /t/300552/a-few-words-about-spartacus-in-blu-ray/240#post_3889745 Actually, all that Spartacus would need is a 4k scan from a 65mm interpositive.  Very little color correction beyond tweaking what is already there.   RAH  
I stand corrected and it would be great if they did it, ( not holding my breath ) i'd love to see the Criterion commentary ported over too.

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#270 of 439 OFFLINE   Kevin EK

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Posted January 21 2012 - 02:27 PM

I would be happiest to see Criterion issue a Blu-ray of their excellent edition of Spartacus, but it just is not on the horizon.  Another item on my wish list.

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Posted January 22 2012 - 06:36 AM

I would be happiest to see Criterion issue a Blu-ray of their excellent edition of Spartacus, but it just is not on the horizon.  Another item on my wish list.
As RAH has said a 4k scan of the 65mm IP would be needed. What Criterion had/has was good for a DVD but not good enough for a Blu-Ray release.

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Posted January 22 2012 - 08:37 AM

Thank you Oliver.   I meant that I would be happiest to see Criterion issue a Blu-ray of their edition, using a new transfer and including all of their excellent supplements. Unfortunately, this scenario is not likely to happen given the financial and rights issues. So I live with the existing SD DVD, which at least has those supplements and the best transfer we have available.

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Posted February 01 2012 - 10:51 AM

SPARTACUS is "rumored" for 2012 release by Criterion. Several months ago a photo of a CC document was leaked. Some Criterion fanatics zoomed in and some of the handwriting looks to be Spartacus. http://www.criterion...artacus#p375415

#274 of 439 OFFLINE   Kevin EK

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Posted February 02 2012 - 07:41 AM

It's been rumored for a while, but the costs that would be involved are enough to make it extremely unlikely, unfortunately.

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Posted February 02 2012 - 09:02 AM

Why would it be more costly than any other 4K scan that Criterion has done? Vincent

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Posted February 02 2012 - 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Vincent_P /t/300552/a-few-words-about-spartacus-in-blu-ray/270#post_3893585 Why would it be more costly than any other 4K scan that Criterion has done? Vincent
65mm film element.

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Posted November 22 2013 - 06:51 AM

I don't suppose there's any chance at all...

 

...I mean even the slightest glimmer of hope that maybe they've...

 

...no, probably not.

 

I was just wondering.

 

http://www.amazon.co...words=spartacus

 

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Posted November 22 2013 - 09:46 AM

This is interesting. Can anyone expound?



#279 of 439 OFFLINE   Peter Apruzzese

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Posted November 22 2013 - 10:38 AM

Just another re-release of the last version, they're dropping the 1960s packaging and highlighting the UltraViolet digital version.


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Posted November 22 2013 - 10:38 AM

I don't suppose there's any chance at all...

 

...I mean even the slightest glimmer of hope that maybe they've...

 

...no, probably not.

 

I was just wondering.

 

http://www.amazon.co...words=spartacus

 

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Probably just another repackaging by Universal.  If they ever decide to redo Spartacus I'm sure we will all know about it months prior to release.







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