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TCFHE Press Release: The Illusionist (Blu-ray Combo)


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#1 of 25 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted April 29 2010 - 08:36 AM


 

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#2 of 25 OFFLINE   Sam Posten

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Posted April 30 2010 - 02:14 AM

This was one of the first films I watched all the way through on Netflix Instant Streaming.  I'm strongly considering getting this on Blu, it was a great story and I bet the period look benefits from the higher quality that disks provide.


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#3 of 25 OFFLINE   ManW_TheUncool

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Posted April 30 2010 - 09:31 AM

Been waiting for this one since I rented it on DVD some time ago (since I never got into HDD).  Hopefully, the HD transfer gets a solid port to BD -- and glad to see the combo pack release (presumably w/out going the flipper combo route).

Hmmm...  Odd.  For some reason, I thought this was previously released on HDD, but now, I can't find reviews of that version (to get an idea what to expect).  Maybe I got confused by the Italian import BD or the Canadian Alliance BD...

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Posted April 30 2010 - 01:21 PM

 This is a must buy. I own the dvd, no longer now that the Blu is coming. Fantastic film!
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Posted May 01 2010 - 05:34 AM

I think you're right this was previously released on BD because I just saw 6 used copies for less than $15 at my local Movie Stop.

Originally Posted by Man-Fai Wong 


Hmmm...  Odd.  For some reason, I thought this was previously released on HDD, but now, I can't find reviews of that version (to get an idea what to expect).  Maybe I got confused by the Italian import BD or the Canadian Alliance BD...

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Posted May 02 2010 - 06:36 AM

I received The Illusionist on Blu Ray as a Christmas gift last year. Perhaps it was only released in Canada? Cheers, David
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Posted May 02 2010 - 09:50 AM

I wonder how netflix and blockbuster online will ship these, that is if there will be rental versions that
aren't flippers.

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Posted May 02 2010 - 02:02 PM

Do I read that correctly?  You have to watch the SD DVD to listen to the commentary?

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Posted May 02 2010 - 02:08 PM


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 Do I read that correctly?  You have to watch the SD DVD to listen to the commentary?
That's not an uncommon thing. Fox/MGM has done this for plenty of releases. Bare Bones BD but bundled with the DVD that contains all the special features. But, is BD quality that important when listening to a commentary?

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#10 of 25 OFFLINE   Matt Hough

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Posted May 02 2010 - 02:18 PM

The MGM/Fox release of The Thomas Crown Affair which I reviewed a week or so ago did that very thing.

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Posted May 02 2010 - 02:22 PM



Originally Posted by WillG 


That's not an uncommon thing. Fox/MGM has done this for plenty of releases. Bare Bones BD but bundled with the DVD that contains all the special features. But, is BD quality that important when listening to a commentary?
Really?
I'm still watching the movie even if the sound coming out is just a guy talking about the movie.


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Posted May 03 2010 - 04:49 AM


Originally Posted by TonyD 

I wonder how netflix and blockbuster online will ship these, that is if there will be rental versions that
aren't flippers.
 
This one is not a flipper combo, is it?  It's a Fox release, and the info doesn't sound like they're trying the flipper combo -- I sure hope not anyway.  Can anyone confirm?

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Posted May 03 2010 - 06:09 AM



Originally Posted by TonyD 



Really?
I'm still watching the movie even if the sound coming out is just a guy talking about the movie.
 
My point exactly.  If I've bought a blu-ray and I've got the equipment, why should I have to watch SD just to get the commentary.  How hard could it have been to include the commentary on the blu?  Either it would have cost more money to license for both discs or the studio has it's head up its ....

Come on, is this rocket science?  Would anybody on this board design it this way?  Even if you don't mind watching SD to get the commentary, is that how'd you'd do it?


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Posted May 03 2010 - 06:14 AM



Originally Posted by MattH. 

The MGM/Fox release of The Thomas Crown Affair which I reviewed a week or so ago did that very thing.
As did the MGM/Fox release of To Live and Die in L.A.


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My point exactly.  If I've bought a blu-ray and I've got the equipment, why should I have to watch SD just to get the commentary.  How hard could it have been to include the commentary on the blu?  Either it would have cost more money to license for both discs or the studio has it's head up its ....

Come on, is this rocket science?  Would anybody on this board design it this way?  Even if you don't mind watching SD to get the commentary, is that how'd you'd do it?

 
It sounds like they're doing exactly what was done with To Live and Die -- including a copy of the existing DVD, along with a barebones Blu-ray, which was probably cheaper to author and reproduce than a Blu-ray that includes all the special features. For all we know, it'll be the same encode as that used by Alliance in Canada.

I'm not defending the practice, because I don't like it either, but I'm sure it's a cost issue.

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Posted May 03 2010 - 06:31 AM


Originally Posted by Michael Reuben 

It sounds like they're doing exactly what was done with To Live and Die -- including a copy of the existing DVD, along with a barebones Blu-ray, which was probably cheaper to author and reproduce than a Blu-ray that includes all the special features. For all we know, it'll be the same encode as that used by Alliance in Canada.

I'm not defending the practice, because I don't like it either, but I'm sure it's a cost issue.
 
Hmmm...  Have they actually recycled an Alliance encode (for previous Canadian release) before?  If they do that, hopefully, they at least bother to put some menus, chapter stops, etc. on the disc.  IIRC (from reviews), the Alliance Canadian disc didn't even have basic navigational features like menus.

Also, not too sure about this one, but Alliance transfers/encodes can be very dodgy from what I've read.

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Posted May 03 2010 - 07:15 AM

I guess I've been lucky and this hasn't been done to a disc I wanted.  I sure will be looking closer at the specs from now on.  I think it is highly unlikely I'll be willing to  buy a movie produced this way.

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Posted May 03 2010 - 07:48 AM

Some of the ideas thought up for blu-ray releases rival DIVX in their idiocy.

And regarding the Alliance releases, I can confirm that yes, most of the releases here in Canada are downright bad.  Enough so, that I have to research each and every release by them.  Past transgressions include the wrong aspect ratio for Equilibrium, and a brutal transfer for Ella Enchanted.  Further, it's common to not have subtitles, which is enfuriating, and menus and chapter stops are rare; it's almost like someone mastered some of the releases using built-in Windows authoring software (no joke).  There are even a few releases that are 1080i, not 1080p.  Cold Mountain was a decent Alliance BD release, IIRC, so there's at least some good ones--they are just rare.


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Posted May 03 2010 - 08:06 AM


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I think it is highly unlikely I'll be willing to  buy a movie produced this way.

 
To me, that sounds like throwing to baby out with the bathwater. I though people usually say around here it's the A/V quality of the movie first and foremost while extras are of secondary concern. Based on that, who cares if you have to watch a commentary with "only" DVD quality picture. Suddenly that's not good enough anymore? And isn't keeping costs down, assuming that is the case, a good thing?

I guess it just doesn't bother me that much. If I'm listening to commentary, I'm doing it to hear someone discuss the movie. I'm not tremendously concerned if it's a HD picture or not and in 99% of cases, I'm only going to listen to the commentary once. I'd prefer it this way over a double dip. And you get a DVD copy of the movie as well that you can take pretty much anywhere.

What would piss me off is if the studio eventually stopped including the DVD so then you get no special features on your BD purchase.

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Posted May 03 2010 - 11:00 AM



Originally Posted by Man-Fai Wong 



Also, not too sure about this one, but Alliance transfers/encodes can be very dodgy from what I've read.


 
I have the Alliance version of The Illusionist, and it's serviceable, though not great.

My comment was pure speculation. For all we know, the Blu-ray will be a beautiful new transfer, as was the case with To Live and Die in L.A. Any fan who passed on that one because the special features were on a separate disc would be making a mistake, IMO. With The Illusionist, we'll just have to wait for reviews.


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Posted May 03 2010 - 03:37 PM



Originally Posted by WillG [url=/forum/thread/300208/tcfhe-press-release-the-illusionist-blu-ray-combo#post_3687198]  That's been one of the major points of discussion since the forum began (or at least when I joined in 2000); most threads where a lack of special features, especially in a so-called "special edition" (not pertinent for this release), eventually move on a tangent about "the movie being the key" versus the "format promotes the total experience" et cetera.  There are vocal proponents on both sides.