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A few words about...™ Saving Private Ryan -- in Blu-ray

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#1 of 67 Robert Harris

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Posted April 23 2010 - 02:42 AM

With Paramount's Sapphire Series getting off to a bit of a rocky start with digital cleansing problems in Gladiator, which may have been caused by Universal elements, it's nice to see quality back with their release of Steven Spielberg's Saving Private Ryan.

I've a feeling that anything with Mr. Spielberg's name attached to it is going to go through a bit more serious QC path than some other productions, and if that's the case it shows here.

I screened the new Blu-ray last night for a friend, and he made an interesting comment.  With the overall dynamism, layers of audio and pure volume, dialogue during the opening landing, as well as all other sequences that play high on the db scale, is all clear. 

While I would believe that some of this is due to the decoding of one's receiver, speaker setup, etc., the audio must clearly be there in the uncompressed tracks before it can be delivered into one's home theater environment. 

The audio on this disc, full, rich, loud and always crisp and clean is a testament to not only the sound effects, dialogue recording and mixing work performed on this huge production, but also of the fact that the DTS-HD Master Audio system delivers what it promises.

Image is perfect, with rich blacks, accurate color and densities.

Saving Private Ryan is a great, and important film, and has  been delivered with perfection via Paramount on the Blu-ray format.  As the winner of five Academy Awards inclusive of Best Director, (Shakespeare in Love took Best Picture), it deserves a place in any serious Blu-ray collection.  As an aside, SPR also won Best Editing, Sound and Sound Effects Editing, so what you're hearing should come as no surprise.  Anyone serious about cinema should stop for a moment and imagine what was entailed in creating these tracks.  The job must have been immense.

A perfect Blu-ray.

Highly Recommended.

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Posted April 23 2010 - 02:53 AM

 And also an Oscar for Best Cinematography :)

Easily the best war-film ever made (along side its mini-series counterpart Band of Brothers), and one of the most important films of the last half century in my opinion. 

Hopefully, Cameron's Titanic finds its way to BD soon in the Sapphire Series, done correctly of course.

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#3 of 67 Sam Posten

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Posted April 23 2010 - 02:54 AM

Can't wait to hear this in Lossless.  This is one of those films where it will be really terrific to compare against what has come before it, due to the extensive effort that went into the theatrical production.

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#4 of 67 Robert Crawford

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Posted April 23 2010 - 03:22 AM

Till this day, I think this film was robbed of the Best Picture Oscar. 

Great to hear the positive feedback on the AV presentation of this BR release.





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Posted April 23 2010 - 03:44 AM

Can't wait to pick this up - a must have. Now what about A.I.?
 

 


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Posted April 23 2010 - 04:20 AM

I agree....even though I do like "Shakespeare In Love" as well, it really has no place alongside this film.  Look forward to picking this one up.

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Till this day, I think this film was robbed of the Best Picture Oscar.
 


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Posted April 23 2010 - 06:49 AM

IMO this movie is a fairly run-of-the-mill war flick with a classic opening sequence and a very good final battle (and spectacular production values).  Of course, when the DTS DVD came out, I watched that opening sequence over and over -- that's as awesome as film sound gets.  (See, this isn't a thread fart. :)

(Taken as a whole, IMO Shakespeare in Love was a better movie. And it may not be fair to compare a 2-hour movie to a 10-hour series, but I much prefer Band of Brothers.)


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Posted April 23 2010 - 06:54 AM

this is due in my postbox very soon, and I am very excited!!

its a film that is difficult to watch due to the brutality of the battle scenes - specifically the beach landing and final battle in the town / bridge

cannot wait to see this again, but in HD, I would imagine its even more harrowing!


I've been thoroughly enjoying "The Pacific" mini-series (up to ep. 6 so far), and also cannot wait to own that on HD-Blu-Ray

buying Band of Brothers on Blu-Ray was easily my best HD purchase, the difference in the viewing experience between the HD and my SD-DVD set was simply, stunning!!


#9 of 67 Robert Crawford

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Posted April 23 2010 - 11:45 AM



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(Taken as a whole, IMO Shakespeare in Love was a better movie. And it may not be fair to compare a 2-hour movie to a 10-hour series, but I much prefer Band of Brothers.)

 
You're right, it's not fair to compare a 2 hour movie to a 10 hour series.





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Posted April 23 2010 - 02:48 PM



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IMO this movie is a fairly run-of-the-mill war flick with a classic opening sequence and a very good final battle (and spectacular production values).  
 
Agreed. I will give this rent at some point just to hear the lossess during the opening sequence but there's no way I could sit through the entire film again.
 
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Posted April 23 2010 - 03:07 PM


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 Till this day, I think this film was robbed of the Best Picture Oscar. 
Yeah, that still pisses me off.

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 Easily the best war-film ever made
Interesting how you call SPR "easily" the best war film ever made, but your avatar is a picture of Kilgore /img/vbsmilies/htf/smile.gif



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#12 of 67 Edwin-S

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Posted April 23 2010 - 07:32 PM

SPR is a great film. As far as best war film, I would be inclined to say "All Quiet on The Western Front".
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Posted April 23 2010 - 09:58 PM

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Agreed. I will give this rent at some point just to hear the lossess during the opening sequence but there's no way I could sit through the entire film again. 
That's my position too.

The idea that Saving Private Ryan is better than, for example, The Bridge On The River Kwai, Lawrence Of Arabia, Zulu, Zulu Dawn and Patton I find astonishing.


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Posted April 24 2010 - 12:10 AM

I find Saving Private Ryan an entertaining war movie, build on a spectacular premise, almost always inhabiting Spielbergs scheme of storytelling. The first 45 minutes, acts as a study in stunning cinematography combined with the most important moment in Europe the last 100 years. The historic impact of such magnitude, none of us will ever truly comprehend. For that, I thank Spielberg and for that long intro sequence alone, combined with the moment at the end on the graveyard, where we truly understand the term "the greatest generation".

As a whole though, Spielberg doesn't succeed in bringing Saving Private Ryan to a higher level. The 90 minuttes in between are purely Band of Brothers excerpts, that doesn't possess the Spielberg touch, just ordinary filmmaking.

I treasure this, as a great intermission act, for the upcoming Thin Red Line, only compromised by a cast of too many movie stars.

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Posted April 24 2010 - 12:55 AM



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That's my position too.

The idea that Saving Private Ryan is better than, for example, The Bridge On The River Kwai, Lawrence Of Arabia, Zulu, Zulu Dawn and Patton I find astonishing.
 
Why do you find it astonishing?  Film appreciation is very subjective which is why I value film opinions different than mine because not everybody thinks the same way in regard to any particular film.




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#16 of 67 Felix Martinez

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Posted April 24 2010 - 01:00 AM

As much as I love Band of Brothers, if it wasn't for Saving Private Ryan, there would be no Band of Brothers.

I don't think SPR is *better* than the other classic war films mentioned in this thread - including the unmentioned Paths of Glory - in the same way that I don't think any individual "top" war film is better than the others on that kind of list.  But I think SPR does deserve a spot on that list.

The opening and closing sequences seem to overshadow many "moments" in the middle third that I personally treasure.  Whether it's the arrival of the chaplain to deliver bad news to a mother in that wonderfully framed tableau, the silent and purely visual scene where a secretary discovers an important piece of information and brings it to her superiors, the scene in the church, or the wait before the final confrontation in the village with the haunting refrains of music echoing through the streets, or even Hanks' emotional collapse as the stress becomes too unbearable, I just find this film exceptional on all levels.

Great to read that the Blu-ray will add another level of excellence to this experience.





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Posted April 24 2010 - 09:49 PM

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Why do you find it astonishing?  Film appreciation is very subjective which is why I value film opinions different than mine because not everybody thinks the same way in regard to any particular film.
 
Because I had never come across that idea before!

I am well aware that "film appreciation is very subjective" but that is hardly the point as I was not suggesting that other contributors should not express their opinions. I was exercising my right to express my opinion.

I can sit here and speculate that some eccentric somewhere will believe that Plan 9 From Outer Space is a better movie than Citizen Kane but that won't stop me being astonished if the idea is ever put to me.



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Posted April 25 2010 - 12:53 AM



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Because I had never come across that idea before!

I am well aware that "film appreciation is very subjective" but that is hardly the point as I was not suggesting that other contributors should not express their opinions. I was exercising my right to express my opinion.

I can sit here and speculate that some eccentric somewhere will believe that Plan 9 From Outer Space is a better movie than Citizen Kane but that won't stop me being astonished if the idea is ever put to me.

 
Nobody is suggesting that any member can't express their opinion because expressed opinions is what this forum is all about.  However, I do find your last analogy in your bolded comment interesting because I hope you're not trying to compare Saving Private Ryan to the film quality of Plan 9 From Outer Space?  Film appreciation is subjective as you have acknowledged and everyone is welcome to their own opinion, but stated opinions can run counter to a generally accepted consensus of any film.





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Posted April 25 2010 - 06:02 AM



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SPR is a great film. As far as best war film, I would be inclined to say "All Quiet on The Western Front".
May I also add a vote for "A midnight clear"? Anyone?


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Posted April 25 2010 - 04:45 PM

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However, I do find your last analogy in your bolded comment interesting because I hope you're not trying to compare Saving Private Ryan to the film quality of Plan 9 From Outer Space?  
No, of course not. I was using an extreme hypothesis to make the point that a reasonably open-minded person can still be startled by an opinion that contradicts everything he has come to believe and accept.

I don't think Saving Private Ryan is a bad movie. I just don't think it is a truly great one. I agree with the consensus that it has near the begining an exceptionally good battle sequence incorporating demonstration quality use of directional sound, and that everything that follows is a bit of a let-down and is not especially thought-provoking, moving or exciting.








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