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#1 of 208 OFFLINE   Dave Scarpa

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Posted February 22 2010 - 12:54 AM

This wekend found me in Walmart, not a place I like to go, but there you are. And even thou Walmart had tons of what I would consider to be great prices on Blu ray titles, many at $8.00 to $10.00 ea. I walked out with none.

I don't know maybe the fact that I was heavy into buying DVD's have soured me on another disk bound format, maybe because I'm moving many of my DVD titles over to a digital format for my Apple TV. I Just cannot become enthused to buy many blu ray titles. I have about 20 disks and I'll still buy a few hear and there (2012 and the Men who stare at Goats) come to mind. But other than that I don't forsee many Blu Buying sprees. Still I see alot of my Fellow HTF'ers Blind Buying anything that comes out or they can get cheap. I'm still waiting for hte Blu Bug to bite me, has'nt yet. There are however so many more ways of watching films now than there were in the heyday of the DVD. Netflix, On Demand, Itunes, maybe that too has cit into my ethusiasm.

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#2 of 208 OFFLINE   Parker Clack

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Posted February 22 2010 - 01:18 AM

Personally I don't like to stream anything for a movie, ie: Netflix, ITunes, On Demand, etc. I would rather have the disc in hand and play it back through my system anytime I want. Other than the video what does it for me is the audio from DTS MA and Dolby Digital. And with the prices dropping and many movies coming in some sort of dual format with both the regular DVD and the Blu-ray in one set for me it is a no brainer.

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Posted February 22 2010 - 02:02 AM

I'll buy discs until I have absolutely no other option. I know I'm certainly not the average consumer though. I don't have an interest in most of the technological advances of the last 10 or 15 years (I think the people in Wall E are a frighteningly accurate vision of what the future will be like) but I realize that eventually I'll be forced to buy into downloading/streaming someday.

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Posted February 22 2010 - 02:04 AM

I felt the same way about Blu-ray even long before it made an appearance: I have tons of DVDs that I'm mostly satisfied with, why would I want to go throught it all again, replacing everything to a format that may or may not offer some improvement in picture quality, audio,. etc. I think for some people the lure of the format is the opportunity to see their favorite B-movies make the leap to hi-def, not so much the mainstream, disposable movies that are only good for viewing once. This is the kind of stuff you'll see at Walmart and Best Buy by the bucketfuls and to me that just isn't very exciting. If you're looking for The Toolbox Murders, a Lucio Fulci flick or an early-70's crime thriller you're not gonna have much luck finding those at Walmart and this is the stuff I crave on Blu-ray. I have 100+ BDs, most of which I love but I still suffer from sticker shock every time I'm browsing at BB so pricing is also a factor when deciding what I purchase.

#5 of 208 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted February 22 2010 - 02:46 AM

I have more of a love/hate relationship with Blu-ray.

On the one hand, I see the difference in quality and so
much enjoy watching a really well-mastered transfer on
that format over DVD any day.  The most recent "WOW"
transfer I have seen was Gangs of New York.  I defy
anyone to compare that to anything on DVD.

Watching remastered classics on the format is also
a treat.  Take a look at any of the classic Warner Bros.
Blu-ray releases and watch in amazement as something
that looks as if it were shot in present day.

What I don't like about Blu-ray is the format itself.
Load times on a standalone player are ridiculous unless
you opt to buy a $500 Oppo player or a PS3. It can take
up to 4 minutes for a title to start playing once loaded
in the player. Also, I noticed some players will just not
play a certain studio title.

Finally, pricing is all over the map.  Fortunately, most
studios have gotten new release prices down to $20
through Amazon.  However, to see one or two studios
releasing titles near the $30 pricepoint is the one thing
that deters me from purchase. 


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#6 of 208 OFFLINE   Doug Otte

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Posted February 22 2010 - 02:49 AM

I was initially very excited about HD media, but in the last few months my buying has dropped off to almost nothing.  I attribute it to several factors:
1) I'm older, and frankly less excited about things in general;
2) Frozen salary + higher expenses = less extra spending money;
3) Wife and daughter aren't that interested in movies anymore, so it's just me;
4) Since last year's glut (Trek, NxNW etc.), there aren't many releases upcoming that I'm interested in, but I'm eagerly awaiting more Hitchcock and would love some classic noir titles.


#7 of 208 OFFLINE   Dave Scarpa

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Posted February 22 2010 - 05:27 AM

Ron, I agree I would rather watch a Blu Ray of a classic 50's - 70's Film than most new movies. Seeing those cinemascope and vistavision films in all their glory is what I enjoy the most out of the format, I cannot wait to see and I will endo up buying African Queen. Most new transfers thou seem to be all over the map, some look fantastic, others barely better than the DVD. Most new movies are films so dark and dreary the difference is minute. Your right about the players and Load times. Also firmware updating is a hassle, and your right I could'nt get 20th Century fox's "The Day the Earth Stood Still" the 55 version to play on anything I own. I just simply am not buying that much these day. Of course Medical bills and a reevaluting of what is important in life has a lot to do with that too.  Still cannot wait to see African Queen thou,.
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Posted February 22 2010 - 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by Dave Scarpa 

Most new transfers thou seem to be all over the map, some look fantastic, others barely better than the DVD. Most new movies are films so dark and dreary the difference is minute.
Honestly, if every movie is "dark and dreary" and looks "barely better than DVD", I'm inclined to think that's a display issue.  The number of transfers that are that bad are almost literally a handful--we're talking the Gladiator/original Gangs of New York/Dark City kind of stuff, presumably--while most everything else has a very noticeable upgrade in quality.  Even before I moved from a 50" LCOS to 58" plasma, the differences between the DVD (even upconverted) and Blu-ray were immediately apparent.  And, if anything, transfers have been more consistently done recently than they were previously.  The occasional stinkers when it comes to transfers are much fewer and far between, and unlike DVD, the filmmakers seem willing to move quicker on fixing their mistakes.

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Posted February 22 2010 - 07:35 AM

I'm not in a big hurry to replace my SD DVDs (unless I already know they will be frequent repeat viewing titles AND the price is right) but anything I don't already have but want to own that is available on BD gets purchased that way.  Although, with a wedding this summer, one year of expensive private school for my son (misses the cutoff for kindergarten at the local public board but needs the academic stimulation sooner rather than later) starting in September as well as a big backlog of unwatched discs (SD DVD, HD DVD and BD) in the "man-cave", I foresee a dramatic drop in buying in 2010.  Not because of any lack of appreciation for BD's inherent quality, though.
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Posted February 22 2010 - 07:40 AM

I'm with Ron on the love/hate relationship. I love the way the films look and sound on BD, but hate the added load times, inability to skip all the previews on some titles, and inability to resume Java-encoded discs. BD is really not a consumer-friendly format, IMO.

Personally, while I have upgraded quite a few titles from SD-DVD to BD over the past 18 months, I have been much more selective in which titles I purchase than I did in my SD-DVD buying days. Also, I am doing something I never did with SD-DVD -- renting, instead of blind buying a film I have not yet seen. I still blind buy occasionally if I really think I will like the film based on past works (such as Pixar films, etc.), but if there is any doubt, the title gets rented instead. Most of my BD purchases have been of personal favorite films.

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Posted February 22 2010 - 08:20 AM

I own currently 121 Blu-Rays, on 4/5 of these the PQ and SQ is fantastic, occasionally I get a flat transfer like Stallone's "First Blood" which was no better than the DVD

and 450+ DVDs

the DVD's are cheap to buy, I often pick them up second hand GBP£2, or new GBP£3-6

the Blu-Ray pricing has really dropped, buying on-line from merchants like Play they are GBP£5-15, and second hand GBP£5-10

I have a LG BD-370 Blu-Ray player, load times are no different to my previous LG DVD player, although I sometimes find the navigation of special features a bit harder to work out, compared to DVD

the DVD upscaling my Blu-Ray offers means that most of my DVD titles look VERY good on my LG 1080P flat screen television

I will continue to buy both formats - I have picked my favourite films on blu-rays and films I enjoy but do not consider "classics" on DVD

as an example, today I picked up 2001 Space Odyssey on Blu, and on DVD ; 2010, Boiler Room and Spielberg's 1941 Special Edition

there are films I *love* but cannot get on Blu - Katheryn Bigelow's "Strange Days" and Cronenberg's "Existenz"

I also watch alot of Div-X DLs on my system - the LG Blu is Dix-X compatible which was a prime consideration when choosing a player

here in the UK, we often get the best US tv shows a year or two after the US - I am currently watching Dollhouse Season 2 and Sons of Anarchy Season 2, both on Div-X DL

but in case anyone is concerned, I have purchased Dollhouse S1 and SOA S1 on DVD, and already pre-ordered both second seasons of both shows....

....I am totally happy to pay good money for release, but if I cannot get them due to licensing / regional snafnu's I will DL and buy as soon as available (perhaps something the movie and TV companies have not figured out about consumers who DL)

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Posted February 22 2010 - 08:38 AM

The thing I'm enjoying about Blu-rays, besides the superior image on my favorite films, is that my SD collection had already peaked out on everything I wanted that was available, but I still enjoy collecting, so it's keeps me in collecting mode, but on a much slower (and affordable) pace. As soon as I hear one of my library going Blu, I trade in the SD version (and usually a few others), so that I can anticipate picking it up the BD at some future release date. The hobby lives!

#13 of 208 OFFLINE   David Wilkins

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Posted February 22 2010 - 09:07 AM

Guess I'm in the solid "love it" camp with BD, with a couple of natural differences between this transition, and transitions of the past.

DVD was the first format with a vast catalogue and prices that were affordable for most people. Those are the reasons I wound up with a large library. With VHS and LD, the prices were much higher (astronomical in today's dollars) and catalogues more limited, so choices were made more carefully. Unlike the latter half of the DVD boom, there weren't marketing forces in place to convince people that they naturally should own every movie that's released. 

I'm back to that more selective mode, not because prices are too high because they're not (see above remark), but because of the way titles are marketed to us. I simply grew very, very tired of feeling like a fool, after seeing so many titles with their street price cut nearly in half, a few weeks to a few months after release. I have more time than money, and will wait for the price to drop. After seeing it happen too many times, my position is absolutely firm. I'm a collector, this is a hobby, and that's the way it is.

The only reason I accrued a large DVD library was because prices were right at the time, for the title in question. I don't feel victimized by format changes, as long as the replacement format offers higher quality each time, which it has. I bought the DVD in question because it seemed like a good deal...I enjoyed the disc...when it's time for a replacement I feel is warranted, I sell the old one to a friend for a handful of bucks to help defray the cost of the upgrade. 

I haven't found much to complain about. From where we stand, we're closer than ever to having a presentation that's as close, and many cases better, than a theatrical presentation. I really don't get people who are not jazzed by 1080p...with, of course, a very few exceptions. Some people aren't hard-wired to see much difference...for others, it simply doesn't matter. That's fine, that's why it's a hobby. And from a hobby standpoint, I see very few reasons to grouse about the state of things. 

Maybe that's not what people want to hear.

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Posted February 22 2010 - 09:17 AM

My DVD/BD collection is really my only significant hobby, so I'm thoroughly on board.

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Posted February 22 2010 - 09:26 AM

 So far as the $8 to $10 bin at Wal-mart and elsewhere: the only thing that chaps me, is the fact that I paid $18 to $23 each for many of those titles when they were released. Hence, the self-imposed wait time on almost every release.

It's a fantastic time for people starting a BD library. I'm envious.  

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Posted February 22 2010 - 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by David Wilkins 

Guess I'm in the solid "love it" camp with BD, with a couple of natural differences between this transition, and transitions of the past.

DVD was the first format with a vast catalogue and prices that were affordable for most people. Those are the reasons I wound up with a large library. With VHS and LD, the prices were much higher (astronomical in today's dollars) and catalogues more limited, so choices were made more carefully. Unlike the latter half of the DVD boom, there weren't marketing forces in place to convince people that they naturally should own every movie that's released. 

Maybe it depended on where one was living at then time, but I recall plenty of VHS titles under thirty bucks, not just stuff that was no longer "priced for rental". (And there were VHS bargain bins long before DVD as well.) I usually paid about thirty or forty bucks for a Laserdisc that wasn't a Criterion, or one of Fox's Widescreen Editions. (Boy, did they ever stick it to us OAR fans!) And both formats still have plenty of titles that have never seen the light of day on a shiny little disc either. I still chuckle at the griping about prices today when I recall what I paid for a LD with no extra features or widescreen!

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Posted February 23 2010 - 02:15 AM

Withe the exception of Star Wars and LOTR Extended editions, I will not be updating anything in my current library. ^00 discs is toomany to even think about replacing. My wifestill gets mad when she sees unopened DVDs. The explanation that it's how I keep track of what I haven't watched only makes her see red.

That being said, Anything I do buy is now on Blu. I have a PS3, so I do not experience these load issues that everyone else is having. I am buying way less than I used to on DVD. One is the price factor. Another is now that my kids are in middle school and enetering college, I find myself running around to events and just don't have time to watch movies much anymore.

I am using netflix as well to stream movies, but only because they are free...I wouldn't pay for that service, but it's nice for watching B movies or older TV shows

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Posted February 23 2010 - 06:07 AM

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Posted February 23 2010 - 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein 

I have more of a love/hate relationship with Blu-ray.
I have a love/hate relationship too. I love the picture quality and hate the fact that most of my favorite movies are not even scheduled for a Blu-ray release!

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Posted February 23 2010 - 07:15 AM

Well, I had stopped buying DVD movies a long time ago. With the purchase of an HDTV and a blu-ray player (it took a lot of hem-hawing and some back and forth tug of war) to get me to purchase an HD player. I have to agree with the HTF Owners that I'm still somewhat hesitant. The problem is that premium retailers (such as FYE) sell Blu-rays at full retail ($35-40) while discount/big box retailers like Target, Best Buy, Walmart sell older movies/releases for $20 while keeping the $30 price point on recent movie releases that have made their run through the theaters.

It's sad that movie studios and the retail industry cannot come up with an across the board price point and insist on gouging consumers for new releases. I just won't spend $20-30 for a Blu-ray release. The few Blu-rays that I have purchased, which I have purchased about ten Blu-rays since I bought my Blu-ray player about a week ago, I've paid between $10-15 for these titles. Even then, there are only certain movies that I'd probably purchase. Blu-ray prices are still hinkey and I think this is some collaboration between movie studios and the entertainment industry.

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