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#1 of 27 OFFLINE   Finn

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Posted December 28 2009 - 02:56 PM

Why do you love it? Hate it? Not understand it? Have higher hopes for it? I want to know... 
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#2 of 27 OFFLINE   Simon Howson

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Posted December 28 2009 - 04:43 PM



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Why do you love it? Hate it? Not understand it? Have higher hopes for it? I want to know... 
I couldn't care less about BD-Live, but I'd like to know when Fox is going to release more CinemaScope films on Blu-ray?


#3 of 27 OFFLINE   mattCR

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Posted December 28 2009 - 05:38 PM

I've fooled a minor bit with BD-Live.. using both the Oppo 83 and a Sony PS3. 

My response:  BD-Live is a long way from being worthwhile.  Conceptually, neat.  But I haven't seen anything done with BD-Live that didn't come off as jarringly crappy in comparison to of course the film you're watching.  The real issue with BD live is that you have to cater to most players having limited local storage which means they wipe and re-do everytime you use a different BD title.  End result: even on a fast cable connection, BD live is annoyingly slow.
Realize, this takes nothing away from the quality of the disk at all, it just comes across as somewhat of a "neat gimmick" more then anything that is worthwhile.data:image/png;base64,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%3D


I guess I'm saying, if I were a content provider, developing BD-Live content would be at the absolute bottom of my list.

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#4 of 27 OFFLINE   Douglas Monce

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Posted December 28 2009 - 05:46 PM

I thought the extra behind the scenes features on the Star Trek: Season One blu-ray was pretty cool, but beyond that I haven't seen much that is worth the hype.

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#5 of 27 OFFLINE   Adam Gregorich

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Posted December 28 2009 - 07:45 PM

Welcome James!  I have to say that I don't use BD Live all that often.  I would like to see more titles equipped with updated cast and crew lists (like IMDB).  There are so many times when my wife and I are watching a movie where we keep saying "What else have we seen him/her in?"  It would be nice to see without having to actually go to a PC and look it up after the movie.  BD live could be used to keep an up to date filmography.  I also like the director chats that have been done on some titles.  I though it would be cool if we could someday schedule a HTF movie night where everyone watched a film together with one of our insiders or someone else who could provide some behind the scenes info during the film.



#6 of 27 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted December 28 2009 - 11:46 PM

I am also in the group that doesn't have any use for BD LIVE.

I see it connect every time I load a BD disc into the player,
but I rarely have enough time to get through all the extra 
features on the disc itself.  I don't see anything additional
I would really want outside of what is included on that disc.

I agree with Adam that a filmography that constantly updates
itself in an online database would be useful.  Chats are also
a great idea as long as typing would not be a cumbersome
process.  

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#7 of 27 OFFLINE   Scott Merryfield

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Posted December 29 2009 - 12:10 AM

I am not big on extra features anyway, so BD Live has been completely worthless to me for those instances where I have actually taken the time to check out the BD Live extra content. It's slow to load, and has provided no value of interest to me so far. All BD Live has done is slow down disc load times and take away the resume function due to its Java requirements.

I do like Adam's idea of updated cast lists, though. My wife and I will do the same thing, recognizing a supporting actor/actress and wondering what else he/she played in. Being able to look it up right on the player instead of going into another room to access IMDB would be cool.


#8 of 27 OFFLINE   Michael Osadciw

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Posted December 29 2009 - 12:42 AM

 at this time I have not found much use for it.  again, conceptually neat, but nothing grabbing my attention...yet!

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#9 of 27 OFFLINE   TravisR

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Posted December 29 2009 - 01:06 AM

If few at a message board like this are interested in BD-Live, I can't imagine how little interest the general public has with it (assuming that they have any clue what it is).



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Posted December 29 2009 - 02:36 AM

The Dark Knight was advertising that fans could use it to share self-made commentaries. How did that turn out in practice?

#11 of 27 OFFLINE   Michael Reuben

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Posted December 29 2009 - 03:00 AM



Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Gregorich 

I would like to see more titles equipped with updated cast and crew lists (like IMDB).  There are so many times when my wife and I are watching a movie where we keep saying "What else have we seen him/her in?"  It would be nice to see without having to actually go to a PC and look it up after the movie.  BD live could be used to keep an up to date filmography.
Along these lines, one of the better uses of BD-Live that I've seen to date is Sony's "MovieIQ", which is a text commentary track downloaded to the player via net link. It's currently available on Sex, Lies and Videotape and Angels and Demons (and possibly others). The format may not be revolutionary, but the advantages of it being downloaded for playback is that the commentary can be revised, expanded and updated, and the changes can be implemented instantly.

Closer to home, I would love to have seen BD-Live used to supply the animated English subtitles for Fox's releases of Timur Bekmambetov's Night Watch and Day Watch, but that would have been a tall order. (And besides, those discs weren't enabled for BD-Live.)
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#12 of 27 OFFLINE   Finn

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Posted December 29 2009 - 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Adam Gregorich ">

There are so many times when my wife and I are watching a movie where we keep saying "What else have we seen him/her in?"  It would be nice to see without having to actually go to a PC and look it up after the movie.  BD live could be used to keep an up to date filmography.
We launched Live Lookup powered by IMDb as a BD-Live feature with Wolverine. It is our most successful BD-Live feature to date. We have since put it on Ice Age with a more family friendly vibe (character bios), and will continue to develop it into the new year - and yes it updates the information through BD-Live. 

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#13 of 27 OFFLINE   Parker Clack

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Posted December 29 2009 - 04:27 AM

I haven't had much use for BD-Live. I have tired it on a couple of discs but just ignored it on future discs as I didn't find the extra information I could get that much of something that I would use. I just like to watch the movie and the supplements. BD-Live is not something I get any additional benefit from.

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Posted December 29 2009 - 05:06 AM

Someone posted the text commentary.. I tell you what, you come up with a BD-Live link that downloads an MP3 soundtrack of say, RiffTrax or Cinematic Titanic.  Give me the ability to download an MP3 soundtrack alternative (that cracks wise) and I'm there... of course, this only works for total crap films, but you might find it'd allow you to sell some.

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#15 of 27 OFFLINE   Adam Gregorich

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Posted December 29 2009 - 10:28 AM


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We launched Live Lookup powered by IMDb as a BD-Live feature with Wolverine. It is our most successful BD-Live feature to date. We have since put it on Ice Age with a more family friendly vibe (character bios), and will continue to develop it into the new year - and yes it updates the information through BD-Live. 
Thanks James, great to hear.  That was the second movie of a double feature the night I watched so I headed off to bed w/o checking out the special features.  I will have to put it back in and check it out this week along with Ice Age (which the twins are always up to watching again) /img/vbsmilies/htf/smile.gif  SPOILER ALERT 
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Posted December 29 2009 - 11:12 AM

I haven't found anything on bd-live that I need to use but Michael mentioned something that would be great.
Movies that have a specific font used for subtitles would be a nice bd-live feature.

James, what ideas do you have for bd-live that we can/should look for when we sign into BD-L?

adding that I think all the studios should have a universal BD-L implementation.


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#17 of 27 OFFLINE   Nicholas Martin

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Posted December 29 2009 - 12:46 PM

 I'm grateful I have a PS3 to utilize BD-Live on, because I just picked up a separate standalone (Sony BDP-S360) and it took 15 minutes at the least to load up "Terminator 2: Skynet Edition" on it, let alone going through to the actual BD-Live features.

"The Dark Knight" took almost as long to load its BD-Live home menu.

As it depends entirely on the movie, it was nice to see some of the T2 extras of DVDs past as downloadable featurettes, in addition to the music and sound effects extras for Dark Knight. Looking at trivia games for the older "Star Trek" movies just wasn't worth the time, though. The "Full Mags" of "Tropic Thunder were great - the Kirk Lazarus P.P.S.D. segment worth the wait times alone. It was fantastic and very disturbing at the same time.

The only 20th Century Fox titles I own with BD-Live are the three "X-Men" movies, but I haven't checked out what may have been added to it aside from my first viewing which offered a download of a "Wolverine" clip featuring a fight outside a bar. Haven't actually seen the whole movie, though. Some day.


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Posted December 29 2009 - 12:57 PM

Dont even get me started on T2. My Sony 350 took 7 or 8 minutes to load the movie. I dont even have that player hooked up to the internet. I LOATH that disc...sold it. It however, is a worse case disc. I have yet to run across a disc authored as bad as that one...as far as how it reacts with a Sony player.

I bought a PS3 for my son, and i think i played with some BD Live on one of my Trek TOS Blu-rays, for all of 5 minutes? I was not real impressed. Id just as soon surf the internet, on the computer, and not on my TV. But thats just me.


#19 of 27 OFFLINE   Simon Howson

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Posted December 29 2009 - 01:34 PM



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Dont even get me started on T2. My Sony 350 took 7 or 8 minutes to load the movie. I dont even have that player hooked up to the internet. I LOATH that disc...sold it.
Surely this could be fixed with a firmware upgrade?



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Posted December 29 2009 - 01:55 PM

Thanks for the insight, I don't think any of us can say we hit the ceiling on the limits on the BD-Live possibilities, not by a long shot...and that's a good thing. It gives you guys, the early adopters a chance to weigh in on what you'd like to see. I think our Live Lookup feature that utilizes the resources of IMDb just touches the surface of what can be done with marrying the benefits of your "living room" with your internet connection. Use this forum as a chance to tell us what you would like to see, regardless of how you think it could be done. 

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