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#1 of 245 OFFLINE   JohnPM

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Posted October 28 2009 - 04:39 AM



#2 of 245 OFFLINE   Livius

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Posted October 28 2009 - 05:35 AM

I'm not sure I have the words to express quite how depressing I find that announcement. Sad times indeed.
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Posted October 28 2009 - 05:40 AM

I can understand that people are dissapointed that movies they want are only arriving on DVD-Rs but I think it's better than not having it at all.

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Posted October 28 2009 - 05:45 AM

Restoration and extras, what a novel idea. 

It really is starting to look like the end of the line.  While I might be able to get past the cheap manufacturing process, the stranglehold they're going to have on retail pricing is going to kill what little is left of this market.

Now we just need Sony to throw in the towel and we can call it a day.

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Posted October 28 2009 - 05:50 AM

Curios to see, whether their ongoing Backlot Series will be continued or stopped after three batches...



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Posted October 28 2009 - 05:56 AM



Originally Posted by Marcel H. 

Curios to see, whether their ongoing Backlot Series will be continued or stopped after three batches...


 
I certainly wouldn't know the answer, but if they feel it's necessary to dump Universal Horror into this program, albeit lower tier Universal Horror, then all bets are off.  I mean, talk about something that has a built-in audience.  I'm sure there will still be the occasional release along with tie-in stuff to take advantage of existing marketing, but classic horror tells me a lot.


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Posted October 28 2009 - 06:10 AM

Bites tongue; wanders away shaking head and gnashing teeth...

So many films, so little time...
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Posted October 28 2009 - 06:17 AM

Now if only Fox and Paramount would venture into the MOD waters, perhaps we could get those Paramount and Fox titles wasting away in their vaults!

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Posted October 28 2009 - 06:22 AM

Yeah, right, how about a African Queen MOD-DVD-R. ;)

At least, Universal and TCM are writing about restauration and extras and the price for the Horror set is not too absurd but the death of pressed classics seems to be imminent.

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Posted October 28 2009 - 06:36 AM

Such programs are clearly a cash cow for the studios. The more we buy of these kinds of products the more we'll get. Everybody has to make their own decision and, in all good conscience, I cannot lend my support to this type of business model no matter how attractive a given title may be to me.
My money will go to studios that offer proper pressed discs or to releases from other regions.
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Posted October 28 2009 - 06:53 AM

Does ANYONE here recognize that DVD-R allows us to own films that otherwise would never see the light of day? Nah, I didn't think so. Better to hold your breath 'til you turn blue in the face, and refuse to buy anything that isn't produced to your exact specifications. I've now bought over 100 titles from the Warner Archive Collection, expect to buy from TCM-Universal, and I'm happy as a clam to own these titles. Quitcher bitchin!

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Posted October 28 2009 - 06:53 AM

The Warner poll results indicated the majority of the buyers were happy with the product, so that's it. And if money is made these days on anything, it will be repeated elsewhere.
 

If only they were pressed discs though.

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Posted October 28 2009 - 07:05 AM



Originally Posted by PODER 

Does ANYONE here recognize that DVD-R allows us to own films that otherwise would never see the light of day? Nah, I didn't think so. Better to hold your breath 'til you turn blue in the face, and refuse to buy anything that isn't produced to your exact specifications. I've now bought over 100 titles from the Warner Archive Collection, expect to buy from TCM-Universal, and I'm happy as a clam to own these titles. Quitcher bitchin!
I'm not bitchin about the fact, that these are DVD-Rs. The thing that makes me start bitching is the point, that the current trend seems to be: push DVD-Rs, abandon pressed discs, even though they (Warner) promised that this won't be the fact, not much is happening on the pressed discs market, though. Right now, it doesn't feel like an addition - as it is marketed - but more like a replacement. That's the thing that makes me go mad.

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Posted October 28 2009 - 07:10 AM



Originally Posted by PODER 

Does ANYONE here recognize that DVD-R allows us to own films that otherwise would never see the light of day? Nah, I didn't think so. Better to hold your breath 'til you turn blue in the face, and refuse to buy anything that isn't produced to your exact specifications. I've now bought over 100 titles from the Warner Archive Collection, expect to buy from TCM-Universal, and I'm happy as a clam to own these titles. Quitcher bitchin!
I guess I'll have to remember this particular line of reasoning when they're only offered via download.  And then again when they are only offered via digital stream.  Oh thank you, benevolent studios!

I will say that, on the surface, I like Universal's version better than Warner's.  Remastered titles, special features and bundled pricing right out of the gate.  I'm not wild about it, but it isn't quite the massive overall drop that the Archives is.

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Posted October 28 2009 - 07:24 AM



Originally Posted by PODER 

Does ANYONE here recognize that DVD-R allows us to own films that otherwise would never see the light of day? Nah, I didn't think so. Better to hold your breath 'til you turn blue in the face, and refuse to buy anything that isn't produced to your exact specifications. I've now bought over 100 titles from the Warner Archive Collection, expect to buy from TCM-Universal, and I'm happy as a clam to own these titles. Quitcher bitchin!
 
As I said, everybody has to make their own decision; I've made mine and you've clearly made yours.
Since I've already got close to 2000 DVDs resting on my shelves and since Sony are still churning out product, and there's an embarrassment of choice from other regions I don't think I'll be turning blue in the face just yet.

I also intend to continue expressing either my satisfaction or dissatisfaction with any given release/announcement.

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Posted October 28 2009 - 07:24 AM



Originally Posted by Marcel H. 




I'm not bitchin about the fact, that these are DVD-Rs. The thing that makes me start bitching is the point, that the current trend seems to be: push DVD-Rs, abandon pressed discs, even though they (Warner) promised that this won't be the fact, not much is happening on the pressed discs market, though. Right now, it doesn't feel like an addition - as it is marketed - but more like a replacement. That's the thing that makes me go mad.

My thoughts exactly.  The DVD-R aspects are of minor concern to me.  The concern is that we've been sold a bill of goods.  "The Archives will not replace pressed discs" .....but to this point this has not been true in the least.  It has been a near complete replacement for pressed discs.....at an increased price......with reduced quality transfers....and with virtually no extras.

God forbid some of us not be happy.



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Posted October 28 2009 - 07:55 AM

I am absolutely thrilled! I remember reading here a few months back that another major studio was going to announce a similar MOD program and I had my fingers crossed that it would be Universal. I'm even happier to see one of the first offerings is The Devil and The Deep with Gary Cooper. My copy is very poor and although it is one of my least faves of his, I have to have them all and in the best quality I can find so this will be a major upgrade. I hope they keep more of his early films coming and hopefully some of Clara Bow's talkies as well. Most of my favorite stars were at Paramount in the 20s and 30s and it's just great to know we now have hope of getting good quality copies of their films.

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Posted October 28 2009 - 07:57 AM

Just based on this announcement it's better than Warner's program.

I don't like the fact that things have gone this way, but if it's going to happen then at least it will be good to have some competition amongst the studios so we have a chance to get a better product (restored, remastered, extras, etc.)

The biggest detriment to me isn't DVD-R (although I'd prefer pressed DVD), but rather the high prices for old existing and inadequate transfers that Warners is offering. Either lower the price or improve the product.
We'll have to see what these look like. I do like the idea of Robert Osborne introductions that put the film in context. When I record movies off of TCM I always like to include those when they have them.

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Posted October 28 2009 - 08:17 AM

Yeah, I don't mind this too much--The most I miss from the pressed discs were the option for subtitles for the hearing impaired.  Also, the price for individuals is still too high, but at least most of the releases are being bundled into budget sets.


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Posted October 28 2009 - 08:49 AM

At least Universal's discs will be digitally remastered. That in and of itself makes them heads and tails above Warner's.




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