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TCFHE Press Release: Miracle on 34th Street (Blu-ray)


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#1 of 16 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted August 12 2009 - 10:35 AM


 

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#2 of 16 OFFLINE   Brandon Conway

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Posted August 12 2009 - 11:53 AM

I'll pick up the original, but the remake is a definite pass.

"And now the reprimand, from an American critic. He reproaches me for using film as a sacred & lasting medium, like a painting or a book. He does not believe that filmmaking is an inferior art, but he believes, and quite rightly, that a reel goes quickly, that the public are looking above all for relaxation, that film is fragile and that it is pretentious to express the power of one's soul by such ephemeral and delicate means, that Charlie Chaplin's or Buster Keaton's first films can only be seen on very rare and badly spoiled prints. I add that the cinema is making daily progress and that eventually films that we consider marvelous today will soon be forgotten because of new dimensions & colour. This is true. But for 4 weeks this film [The Blood of a Poet] has been shown to audiences that have been so attentive, so eager & so warm, that I wonder after all there is not an anonymous public who are looking for more than relaxation in the cinema." - Jean Cocteau, 1932


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Posted August 13 2009 - 02:39 AM

There's no earthly reason they couldn't fit both of these on one Blu-Ray disc -- if they had, I'd have shelled out for the upgrade. As it is, I'll pass. Lame.


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Posted August 13 2009 - 03:26 AM

Originally Posted by Shakey67 

There's no earthly reason they couldn't fit both of these on one Blu-Ray disc -- if they had, I'd have shelled out for the upgrade. As it is, I'll pass. Lame.
 
You can always fit more on a Blu-ray if you apply additional compression. At some point, though, you start sacrificing quality.

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Posted August 13 2009 - 03:42 AM

 I only want the original, and I'm relieved to see them calling it "the original black and white classic"; on DVD it was stuck on the second disc while the colorized version got disc 1.

And it's interesting to see them refer to it as "full screen". I assume it means the original aspect ratio of 1.37:1, but since the native HD resolution is 16x9 it can't possibly be called "full screen" anymore.

Enough is enough, Disney. No more evasions or excuses. We DEMAND the release Song of the South on Blu-ray along with the uncut version of Bedknobs and Broomsticks on Blu-ray. I am going to boycott The Walt Disney Company until then. And while you're at it, PLEASE stop dropping DVD/laserdisc extras from Blu-ray releases of other films.


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Posted August 13 2009 - 09:17 AM

Where's the love for the 1973 tv movie remake?


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Posted August 13 2009 - 09:50 AM



Originally Posted by Michael Reuben 


You can always fit more on a Blu-ray if you apply additional compression. At some point, though, you start sacrificing quality.
In this case with a total running time of a little over 200 min, and considering that one film is pillar boxed and B&W, I don't think there would be any sacrifice in quality.

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#8 of 16 OFFLINE   Michael Reuben

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Posted August 13 2009 - 10:05 AM

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In this case with a total running time of a little over 200 min, and considering that one film is pillar boxed and B&W, I don't think there would be any sacrifice in quality.

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I didn't say there would be. Not having access to the digital files, and not knowing the requirements of the extras, I wouldn't presume to say either way.
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Posted August 13 2009 - 12:20 PM



Originally Posted by Michael Reuben 


I didn't say there would be. Not having access to the digital files, and not knowing the requirements of the extras, I wouldn't presume to say either way.
Yes if there were HUGE amounts of extras, it could push the limits. But with what is listed here, and likely all of it is 480i from the original dvd releases, they aren't even coming close to pushing the limits for a 50 gig blu-ray.

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Posted August 13 2009 - 01:17 PM

Or they simply knew that a lot of people thought he 1994 remake was crap, and therefore would feel ripped off if it was included in the set and MSRP was higher. :)

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Posted August 13 2009 - 03:06 PM



Originally Posted by Shakey67 

There's no earthly reason they couldn't fit both of these on one Blu-Ray disc -- if they had, I'd have shelled out for the upgrade. As it is, I'll pass. Lame.
This is the first time I've ever seen a studio called "lame" for paying no attention to the idea that it's supposed to include the original film AND its remake.  Talk about going overboard with demands....


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Posted August 14 2009 - 08:23 AM

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This is the first time I've ever seen a studio called "lame" for paying no attention to the idea that it's supposed to include the original film AND its remake.  Talk about going overboard with demands....
Overboard? Phooey! The Criterion Collection included the 1935 version of "Magnificent Obsession" along with the 1954 Douglas Sirk version that all the kids are raving about these days.  And Universal threw in a startlingly awful 70's remake of "Double Indemnity" with the Billy Wilder classic.  Why not do the same with this picture?

In all fairness, though, I suppose one's opinion on this matter may hinge on one's opinion of the remake.  I always considered the original "Miracle" to be vastly superior to the 90's remake (and a 70's TV version? Yikes), so I guess it just wouldn't occur to me that there would be an equal demand for both; hence, throw 'em together as a two-fer.

And Fox is still lame.  If not for this, then definitely for threatening to hold up "Watchmen".  Also, they stole my lunch money one time.



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Posted August 14 2009 - 11:44 AM

The BRD of Gigi included an earlier non-musical version of the story.  The (IMHO pointless) remake of The Day The Earth Stood Still included the original classic version.  More food for thought.
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Posted August 14 2009 - 01:19 PM

The earlier Gigi was standard def from a fairly poor print (EN subs burned in, IIRC).

The original The Day the Earth Stood Still was released by itself already.

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Posted August 15 2009 - 05:47 AM

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The (IMHO pointless) remake of The Day The Earth Stood Still included the original classic version.  More food for thought.
That's right - I forgot about that one! Another reason why Fox is lame: that remake. Putting the '51 original with the remake is like recording a cover of "She Loves You" with barking dogs and putting the Beatles version on the b-side.


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Posted August 15 2009 - 01:58 PM

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That's right - I forgot about that one! Another reason why Fox is lame: that remake. Putting the '51 original with the remake is like recording a cover of "She Loves You" with barking dogs and putting the Beatles version on the b-side.

It would have been, if the original were not available separately.

Enough is enough, Disney. No more evasions or excuses. We DEMAND the release Song of the South on Blu-ray along with the uncut version of Bedknobs and Broomsticks on Blu-ray. I am going to boycott The Walt Disney Company until then. And while you're at it, PLEASE stop dropping DVD/laserdisc extras from Blu-ray releases of other films.





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