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#1 of 157 OFFLINE   TheBat

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Posted June 19 2009 - 04:50 AM

this is the second sequel for bay. his first sequel for bad boys 2. which I did not like at all. was it better then that?

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#2 of 157 OFFLINE   TheBat

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Posted June 19 2009 - 05:31 AM

Nevermind.

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#3 of 157 OFFLINE   Cory S.

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Posted June 19 2009 - 09:39 AM

Sounds a lot like Bad Boys 2, which I love dearly, despite how bad it actually really is.

Michael Bay is the ONLY filmmaker I can let slide when it comes to his indulgences and his particular style of filmmaking.
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Posted June 19 2009 - 09:54 AM

We all have our guilty pleasures. Bay is not really one of mine, though I appreciate his visual flair. It is hard to get by his disdain for a coherent script or comprehensible motivation. The reviews for this aren't surprising, which is too bad. It seems to have amped up the first film, the good, the bad, and the retarded.

The man has found his niche though. Hope the fans enjoy the film. I hope my son does as well.
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Posted June 19 2009 - 10:53 AM

This thread is now designated the Official Discussion Thread for "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen". Please, post all comments, links to outside reviews, film and box office discussion items to this thread.

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#6 of 157 OFFLINE   Jim_E

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Posted June 19 2009 - 11:39 AM

I have enjoyed the majority of Bay's films, with the exception of The Island. Revenge of the Fallen does have a few things in common with Bad Boys 2 - its overly long, everything is amped up from the original, there are thinner characters, more over the top 'humour', inadvertent drug taking, cameras spinning around actors and animal sex gags (rats in Bad Boys 2, Dogs and Decepticons - separately! - here).

I think the difference for me is that Bad Boys 2 seemed to benefit from being so over the top, whereas Revenge of the Fallen seemed to me to be out of step from the characters in the first film. I quite liked what Shia Labouf brought to Transformers, but felt he didn't have much character to work with this time out.

Also, if you're going to subtitle your film 'Revenge of the Fallen' you really should establish 'the Fallen' and give him some motivation. He's barely in the film and you never really get his relationship with Megatron, aside from a few mentions of master and apprentice which just brings up memories of Star Wars. Maybe I just don't have much memory of the old TV show.

It sounds like I hated the film, but I didn't. It does have its moments. I just feel that it's not too much to ask that my summer blockbuster have believable characters and consistent internal logic. This isn't as bad as Wolverine or Terminator Salvation, but I expected more.

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Posted June 19 2009 - 09:48 PM

Jim,

Not defending Bay but the title actually has a double meaning...
"Because he's the hero Gotham deserves.  But, not the one it needs right now.  So, we'll hunt.  Because he can take.  Because, he's not a hero.  He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector.  A DARK KNIGHT."

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Posted June 22 2009 - 02:11 AM

Question for anyone who has already seen it: Is Beetlejuice in the movie? He was spotted on the set about a year ago but I don't see his name listed on IMDb.
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Posted June 22 2009 - 02:38 AM

Why would Michael Keaton be reprising his role for a Transformers movie?

All joking aside, I am starting to actually look forward to this. I hated the first movie, but I saw Shai Lebeouf on Conan and they were talking about the biggest real-life explosion involving the actual actors in movie history. Now I am intrigued.

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Posted June 22 2009 - 11:15 PM

Just saw it and was Dissapointed. Not crap but an average sequel. After loving the 1st one I was so looking forward to this.

Micheal Bay sometimes less is more. Just to much thrown in on this one. Didn't care about the human characters at all. John Tutturo (sp?) was one of the only bright spots. And with the action it was hard to keep track of who was who with the shaky cam and close ups, especially since most of the robots weren't properly introduced. The 1st one also had a better story to. Oh well, it is what it is.

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Posted June 24 2009 - 04:15 AM

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Wow, the quote that came to mind was "Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing" when watching this film. I get the feeling Michael Bay gets a script, and then just picks the pages he wants to film because he thinks it'll look and sound cool on the big screen. But, Michael Bay is a known directorial quantity, you know he doesn't care about plot development, character development, and always goes for cheap laughs and bombastic action sequence, never provides enough cinematic connective tissue to make his films dramatically engaging while also providing top-shelp action porn.

So, Transformers 2 is truly bigger and louder than the initial installment, but not better, and simply goes to well of "robot-on-robot" violence too many times, and its sparse dramatic beats lack subtlety or weight. It's like a live-action cartoon, but it's even more over-the-top than the average Saturday morning cartoon, trading quick, swishy camera moves for what could have been awe-inspiring transformations. The tension from "danger" is both cartoonish and unconvincing, leaving us with 1-dimensional characters and caricatures who don't provide any emotional engagement for us to hook into their situation.

There is, what seemed to be, a 30 minute stretch where it was the cinematic equivalent of watching the characters running in place in quicksand, a lot of action was going on, but nothing was happening until they introduced a deux ex machina to get the gang from point A to a far away point B. There was just a ridiculous amount of story-telling deficiencies going on in this film.

I think I seriously overdosed on all the robot carnage and explosions on the screen, after a while you just get numb to it all.

I give it 1.75 stars, or a grade of C-.
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Posted June 24 2009 - 04:44 AM

It will be interesting to see how well this does at the box office. Roger Ebert gives it one star and local reviewers here give it their lowest rating. I bet it will be number one at the box office for it's first weekend.
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Posted June 24 2009 - 06:03 AM

Oh man this thing sounds like a turd. Part of me wants to see this trainwreck while another part of me has enough common sense to know to stay away. I think I'll listen to my common sense side. Posted Image

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Posted June 24 2009 - 06:35 AM

I just got back from an early showing. I had a free ticket so figured why not. I should have stayed out. I went in already thinking this would be bad, but at least I'd admire the special effects.

Did someone forget, and maybe I haven't seen this but how can almost no one address the absolute crazy racism in this film(?) You've got a robot with a thick jar-jar type accent going on who they have shuffle around, be a bafoon, and with dialog that absolutely pushes PG-13 to the limit. If someone had told me I'd have a racist stereotype shuffling around as a robot saying "bitch" "p---y" "mf" at a continous pace, I would have not wasted time. I saw parents with kids walk out, and who the heck could blame them? Maybe it's the "uptight midwest" but I thought this was going to be a film that reviewed bad because it was all effects and no story. I could deal with that and say "bad film, but effects were good"

But what the heck is with messing up a film aimed at kids with dialog that makes absolutely no sense at all coming from a robot. (I mean, a robot calling someone p---- is ludicris. Do I need to walk out of a theater debating robot genitalia?)

This isn't just a bad film with good effects, this is a truly horrible film. There is almost no reason for anyone to suffer through this god awful mess.

I'm not normally all politically-correct, but the fact that I had no warning that there would be this kind of crazy stereotype presented through a set of foul-mouthed robots is mindboggling. I am absolutely puzzled that this did not get more of a backlash from the black community, because it's at least 10x worse then JarJar ever was.. at least JarJar wasn't adding to the stereotype with over the top language, libido and the like in a film aimed for the family.

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#15 of 157 OFFLINE   RobertR

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Posted June 24 2009 - 06:49 AM

Well, Bay has always targeted the mindset of a 14 year old boy in his films, so that sort of thing should come as no surprise.

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Posted June 24 2009 - 07:14 AM

This quote from a reviewer made me chuckle -- and this is actually from one of the few positive reviews on Rotten Tomatoes:

Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen - WDCW

"Good when its good, but shockingly, horrifyingly bad when its bad"

I don't think I've ever read "shockingly, horrifyingly bad" used in a "positive" review before, lol.

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Posted June 24 2009 - 07:35 AM

That review nailed what I saw.

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Two of our Autobot heroes, Skids and Mudflap (voices by Tom Kenny) come off as the worst racial stereotypes in move history. I heard a fellow reviewer comment that he felt it was the worst stereotype since Jar Jar Binks, but I think these guys make Jar Jar Binks look as intelligent as President Obama. Skids and Mudflap sound like they were ripped out of a 1970’s KKK recruitment film with their jive talking. One even has a gold tooth! Unfortunately, you have to see it to believe it. Even then, Bay may have to call George Lucas to learn how you can combat the inevitable fall out.

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#18 of 157 OFFLINE   Pete-D

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Posted June 24 2009 - 07:41 AM

I think it's some what sad Steven Spielberg's name is attached to this.

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Posted June 24 2009 - 07:42 AM

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Even then, Bay may have to call George Lucas to learn how you can combat the inevitable fall out.
Oh, I'm sure people will leap to Bay's defense, calling people who were bothered by it "uptight" or "taking things too seriously".

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Posted June 24 2009 - 08:27 AM

I saw the first one on cable and still felt ripped off. Though I will never see this film, it is gratifying to see the overwhelmingly negative reviews. Unfortunately, it'll be a financial success. There'll never be a chance for this franchise to be done over and done right.





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