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#21 of 48 OFFLINE   John Hodson

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Posted September 23 2010 - 10:19 PM

And let's not forget that Them! is most unlike M.

 

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#22 of 48 OFFLINE   johnSM

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Posted September 23 2010 - 10:44 PM

Damn this looks like an amazing bluray - I only wish Criterion would release this (and other blu titles) into the UK, or consider encoding region-free discs...



#23 of 48 OFFLINE   Martin Teller

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Posted September 24 2010 - 04:16 AM

The depths that HTFer's will stoop to in order to bitch about something never ceases to amaze me.



#24 of 48 OFFLINE   24fpssean

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Posted March 18 2011 - 05:46 AM

My point has been made.


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#25 of 48 OFFLINE   Colin Jacobson

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Posted March 18 2011 - 08:37 AM

Wow - you reopened a thread that'd been dormant for six months so you could... what exactly? Posted Image


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#26 of 48 OFFLINE   24fpssean

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Posted March 18 2011 - 08:52 AM

So I could re-open an old wound for people who've never touched film, never worked on a feature film, never seen theatrically the classic films they critic on blu ray, or who generally live through the internet.


Or perhaps it was just because I'd forgotten about this thread for six months because I was working.


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Posted March 18 2011 - 09:02 AM

It must be hard to have to associate with all us lowly internet peasants who haven't worked on a movie.



#28 of 48 OFFLINE   Brandon Conway

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Posted March 18 2011 - 09:07 AM



Originally Posted by 24fpssean 

So I could re-open an old wound for people who've never touched film, never worked on a feature film, never seen theatrically the classic films they critic on blu ray, or who generally live through the internet.


I'm pretty sure you're the only one with any scar tissue showing here.


"And now the reprimand, from an American critic. He reproaches me for using film as a sacred & lasting medium, like a painting or a book. He does not believe that filmmaking is an inferior art, but he believes, and quite rightly, that a reel goes quickly, that the public are looking above all for relaxation, that film is fragile and that it is pretentious to express the power of one's soul by such ephemeral and delicate means, that Charlie Chaplin's or Buster Keaton's first films can only be seen on very rare and badly spoiled prints. I add that the cinema is making daily progress and that eventually films that we consider marvelous today will soon be forgotten because of new dimensions & colour. This is true. But for 4 weeks this film [The Blood of a Poet] has been shown to audiences that have been so attentive, so eager & so warm, that I wonder after all there is not an anonymous public who are looking for more than relaxation in the cinema." - Jean Cocteau, 1932


#29 of 48 OFFLINE   Colin Jacobson

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Posted March 18 2011 - 12:02 PM



Originally Posted by Brandon Conway 




I'm pretty sure you're the only one with any scar tissue showing here.



Yup.  One dude's who's bitter about a missing "det" - everyone else seems pretty content...Posted Image


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Posted March 19 2011 - 04:28 AM

It would be a different story of course if "The" was missing from say the on screen title of, The Magnificent Seven, that would detract from my enjoyment of the film, in fact I'll be pretty pissed off and demand my money back. But since it happened to a foreign film, who cares? Posted Image


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Posted March 19 2011 - 05:04 AM



Originally Posted by Steve Christou 

It would be a different story of course if "The" was missing from say the on screen title of, The Magnificent Seven, that would detract from my enjoyment of the film, in fact I'll be pretty pissed off and demand my money back. But since it happened to a foreign film, who cares? Posted Image


It's not the fact that it's a foreign film. Rather, it's the fact that it's clearly on the print (without the "Det") that was provided by Svensk Filmindustri to Criterion. So there are clearly versions out there where the title is "Seventh Seal" rather than "The Seventh Seal". Film titles weren't always as set in stone 50+ years ago like they are today, and could vary print to print more than one being authorized.



"And now the reprimand, from an American critic. He reproaches me for using film as a sacred & lasting medium, like a painting or a book. He does not believe that filmmaking is an inferior art, but he believes, and quite rightly, that a reel goes quickly, that the public are looking above all for relaxation, that film is fragile and that it is pretentious to express the power of one's soul by such ephemeral and delicate means, that Charlie Chaplin's or Buster Keaton's first films can only be seen on very rare and badly spoiled prints. I add that the cinema is making daily progress and that eventually films that we consider marvelous today will soon be forgotten because of new dimensions & colour. This is true. But for 4 weeks this film [The Blood of a Poet] has been shown to audiences that have been so attentive, so eager & so warm, that I wonder after all there is not an anonymous public who are looking for more than relaxation in the cinema." - Jean Cocteau, 1932


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Posted March 19 2011 - 08:22 AM

Look what happened when they dropped the "The" off The Last Year At Marienbad. Now there are people who swear the whole movie doesn't make sense to them.



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Posted March 19 2011 - 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by 24fpssean 

Or perhaps it was just because I'd forgotten about this thread for six months because I was working.


That seems unlikely, since during four of those six months, you were actively posting here in other threads. (Knowing what a stickler for precision you are, I thought I would check. Posted Image )


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Posted March 20 2011 - 12:05 PM



Originally Posted by Michael Reuben 



That seems unlikely, since during four of those six months, you were actively posting here in other threads. (Knowing what a stickler for precision you are, I thought I would check. Posted Image )


Zing! Posted Image


If someone pulls out the "I let the thread go because I was busy with real life and not stuck on the Internet like you mouth-breathing nerds" card, they shouldn't leave evidence of their own mouth-breathing nerd-dom!



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#35 of 48 OFFLINE   Craig Beam

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Posted March 20 2011 - 03:34 PM

BOOM!  Roasted.



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Posted March 21 2011 - 01:39 AM



Originally Posted by JohnMor 

Look what happened when they dropped the "The" off The Last Year At Marienbad. Now there are people who swear the whole movie doesn't make sense to them.


Now I understand the confusion.  I must have seen one of those prints.  Precisely the same situation probably applies with the print of Antonioni's Avventura that was screened for us numerous times in film classes, as we could never understand what occurred, as someone simply vanished mid-film.  Imagine if one could find the original version of The Picnic at Hanging Rock, before the loss.


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Posted April 12 2011 - 06:53 AM

Wow this has turned into a big CJ. What did I miss? People get so flustered when Criterion's infallibility is called into question and then praise the company to high heaven when they release a BD that actually looks the way a BD should look. An impersonal website triumph for you all! Congrats!


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Posted April 12 2011 - 07:08 AM



Originally Posted by 24fpssean 

Wow this has turned into a big CJ. What did I miss? People get so flustered when Criterion's infallibility is called into question and then praise the company to high heaven when they release a BD that actually looks the way a BD should look. An impersonal website triumph for you all! Congrats!


Again, it's not a matter of being flustered or hypocritical or whatever else you may like to shape it as, but a matter of understanding that minor differences in film prints do occur, and then choosing whether or not it's big enough to become concerned about. Everyone will have their own barometer for where they stand on the scope of the difference, but I think it's safe to say this particular instance registers with most people as extremely minor and nearly irrelevant. You are, of course, free to disagree, but you're simply gonna be in the minority.


Have you tried asking Criterion why the word is missing on their Facebook page? I suspect they'll confirm my supposition that it's how the print they sourced their transfer from appears, but maybe they'll surprise us all.


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Posted April 12 2011 - 07:38 AM

From DVDBeaver:


"Probably from the same Svensk Filmindustri source all three editions show only the "Seventh Seal" portion of the title as if someone blacked out the "The" (or "Det"). There is even a space there."


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Posted April 12 2011 - 08:02 AM

DVD Beaver is only guessing. Again, have you asked Criterion?


Hell, I'll ask them.


"And now the reprimand, from an American critic. He reproaches me for using film as a sacred & lasting medium, like a painting or a book. He does not believe that filmmaking is an inferior art, but he believes, and quite rightly, that a reel goes quickly, that the public are looking above all for relaxation, that film is fragile and that it is pretentious to express the power of one's soul by such ephemeral and delicate means, that Charlie Chaplin's or Buster Keaton's first films can only be seen on very rare and badly spoiled prints. I add that the cinema is making daily progress and that eventually films that we consider marvelous today will soon be forgotten because of new dimensions & colour. This is true. But for 4 weeks this film [The Blood of a Poet] has been shown to audiences that have been so attentive, so eager & so warm, that I wonder after all there is not an anonymous public who are looking for more than relaxation in the cinema." - Jean Cocteau, 1932