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#41 of 56 Robert Harris

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Posted June 22 2009 - 01:02 AM

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The booklet insert refers to it as "lost footage" so presumably Sony doesn't know it exists. Kubrick himself cut the scene, saying that "it was too farcical and not consistent with the satirical tone of the rest of the film."

The footage certainly exists. I asked the film's editor, Anthony Harvey, about the original ending, and was told that the footage was in place, but was removed after the Kennedy assassination, which occurred only eight weeks before release. It's interesting how many films either in production or about to go into release were affected by the tragedy.

The actual lift stayed with Mr. Harvey for several years, and when he came upon it amongst his things, he returned it to SK.

I'm told that the studio has made efforts to add it to this, and earlier DVD releases, but apparently for whatever reason is has not been made available to them.

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#42 of 56 Robert Harris

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Posted June 22 2009 - 01:07 AM

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Robert, could you comment about how Kubrick achieved the look of Dr. Strangelove. So many shots are gritty and not robustly detailed. The airbase battle scenes that look like newsreel footage would be an example of what I'm on about. Most of the film looks as if it was shot so as to mute detail atleast some to me. Have you any thoughts for this teenage fallout queen....?

It is probable that neither Mr. Kubrick nor cinematographer Gilbert Taylor, currently 95 years old, achieved anything with the footage. But rather, it is what it is.

Since the original negative does not survive, what we see was created from the finest extant film elements, inclusive of a not terribly well made fine grain master. "Gritty and not robustly detailed" in this case may well simply mean "dupey."

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Posted June 22 2009 - 03:18 AM

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Robert, could you comment about how Kubrick achieved the look of Dr. Strangelove. So many shots are gritty and not robustly detailed. The airbase battle scenes that look like newsreel footage would be an example of what I'm on about. Most of the film looks as if it was shot so as to mute detail atleast some to me. Have you any thoughts for this teenage fallout queen....?

Alexander Walker's book _Stanley Kubrick Directs_ says that Kubrick used "othochromatic" stock to give the battle footage a documentary, shot-in-battle texture. I can't say whether Walker got the tech detail correct or not, but that's all I know.

#44 of 56 Rachael B

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Posted June 22 2009 - 06:51 AM

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It is probable that neither Mr. Kubrick nor cinematographer Gilbert Taylor, currently 95 years old, achieved anything with the footage. But rather, it is what it is.

Since the original negative does not survive, what we see was created from the finest extant film elements, inclusive of a not terribly well made fine grain master. "Gritty and not robustly detailed" in this case may well simply mean "dupey."

RAH

Thanks Robert and Brian too! I feel so extanted! You taught me a new, to me, word this week Robert, I feel like a human Extantanista. I quess it's part dupey and part style.....this Strangelove. It sounds as if this also might be your fav movie...? Now, don't throw pies at me but if you do, I like coconut creame.
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Posted June 22 2009 - 01:10 PM

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The footage certainly exists. I asked the film's editor, Anthony Harvey, about the original ending, and was told that the footage was in place, but was removed after the Kennedy assassination, which occurred only eight weeks before release. It's interesting how many films either in production or about to go into release were affected by the tragedy...

Wasn't a line of dialogue spoken by Slim Pickens also ADRed due to the assasination? I seem to recall reading that when Pickens goes over the items in each soldiers survival pack, he originally said something like, "A fellow could have a fun weekend in Dallas with all that", but the city was changed in ADR following the JFK assasination.

A lot of films were altered after Columbine, too. SCREAM 3 had its violence toned back considerably, and I think even the plotline may have been changed from what was originally intended. I remember that Kevin Smith got some worried calls from Miramax around this time, too, as we were mixing DOGMA at Skywalker Sound for its Cannes screening when Columbine occured, and some of the violence in that film was suddenly an issue (i.e., Loki shooting up the boardroom). Kevin didn't cut anything at that point, but it was definitely suddenly on the Miramax executives' minds.

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#46 of 56 Rachael B

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Posted June 22 2009 - 01:30 PM

Vincent, I think you could have a big weekend in Vegas with a copy of the Strangelove BD.
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Posted June 23 2009 - 04:03 AM

The release of The Quiet American (with Michael Caine and Brendan Fraser) was delayed owing to the attacks on 9/11 as the studio did not want to market a film suggesting a US government conspiracy to stage an attack and blame a despised enemy on the heels of the attacks on NYC.

Films and other forms of pop culture are not immune from the pressures of current events.
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Posted July 19 2009 - 10:59 AM



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The previous 2-disc SD transfer was far too dark, as the DVD Beaver comparison reveals. The BD may be a little too bright when viewed on my PC monitor when compared to my plasma TV which often seem to be the case. The cropping/framing on the BD is better. The original mono soundtrack really ought to have been uncompressed, though. Otherwise, this is marvelous work from Sony.
Wow, that 2004 release looks really bad.  As you said, it's indeed way too dark and the framing looks wrong.  I just finished watching the BD and thought it looked great. 

It's interesting how this film just gets better every time you watch it.



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Posted November 27 2009 - 09:28 PM

Was this ever screened in cinemas with the shifting aspect ratio, or was that just created for home video releases?


#50 of 56 Robert Harris

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Posted November 28 2009 - 12:48 AM



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Was this ever screened in cinemas with the shifting aspect ratio, or was that just created for home video releases?
The use of the word "ever" comes into play here.  The OCN had varying aspect ratios as it was shot with more than one camera.  Same situation with Lolita.  To add a widescreen matte, the lab must go to an optical dupe, which is not a good way to go.

So, ever?  Probably.

However, the film was designed to be to run with a proper aperture plate in projection, and with the image properly centered.

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Posted December 04 2009 - 02:15 PM

The restoration and picture quality for Strangelove is fantastic. I think the only person who had the audacity to criticize this amazing release is the ever-annoying Jeffrey Wells of Hollywood Elsewhere. I wish someone would have a talk with this guy and explain that grain is not the enemy. The guy could wind up doing a lot of harm to catalogue titles with his oblivious anti-grain crusades. 

Jeffrey's review: http://hollywood-els...re_of_stran.php


#52 of 56 Brian Borst

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Posted December 05 2009 - 09:57 AM

Wow, that was a great laugh /img/vbsmilies/htf/biggrin.gif. You should check out his review of The Third Man too, it's even more hilarious.

And Dr. Strangelove didn't even struck me as obtrusively grainy to me? I've seen titles with much more grain. In any way, Mr. Wells should be happy he held onto the 2001 dvd, if not for the much less visible grain then for the alternating ratio.

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Posted December 05 2009 - 01:37 PM



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Originally Posted by Robert Harris 

The footage certainly exists. I asked the film's editor, Anthony Harvey, about the original ending, and was told that the footage was in place, but was removed after the Kennedy assassination, which occurred only eight weeks before release. It's interesting how many films either in production or about to go into release were affected by the tragedy.
That would be a very interesting thread: "Films Changed Because of Current Events Prior to Release."  Well that's a clumsy thread title, but you get the idea.

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Posted December 07 2009 - 03:39 AM

 A film release that was changed for "current events" is the second screen adaptation of The Quiet American in 2001.  Originally meant to come out just after 9/11, its release was delayed (and done on fewer screens than initially planned) because a key plot point suggests


a government conspiracy by the US was responsible for a terror attack against civilians.

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Posted November 30 2010 - 02:53 AM


Originally Posted by Brian Borst 

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There is only one Dr. Strangelove, and it's a must own for anyone who even has an inkling that they love the cinema. Not to own this film can lead to the loss of one's cinephile license.
LOL is that a threat Posted Image ? Doesn't matter, though. I already planned to pick this up. Sony continues to take very good care of their back catalog, I must say. Along with Ghostbusters this should be a very satisfying release.


Looks like I'll finally upgrade to the BD for this one (at just $8.99 from Amazon) -- and can come out of hiding ... though I think I've only been operating on a learner's permit all this time anyhow... Posted Image Posted Image



And a much belated thanks, RAH, for another very fine (and fun) "few words"... Posted Image


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Posted November 30 2010 - 04:39 AM

Man, be sure and get a bottle of Pure Grain Alcohol and some Fluoride-free water.


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