-

Jump to content



Photo
- - - - -

One of Them Questions


This topic has been archived. This means that you cannot reply to this topic.
17 replies to this topic

#1 of 18 drobbins

drobbins

    Screenwriter

  • 1,870 posts
  • Join Date: Dec 02 2004

Posted March 26 2009 - 11:29 AM

My son and I were watching Back to the Future the other day and this question came up:

Marty McFly had heard Johnny B Goode on the radio played by Chuck Berry.
Marty McFly traveled back in time.
Chuck Berry heard Marty McFly play Johnny B Goode over the phone and recorded it.
It was that recording that Marty McFly heard on the radio.

Where did that song come from if nobody wrote it?

#2 of 18 Holadem

Holadem

    Lead Actor

  • 8,972 posts
  • Join Date: Nov 04 2000

Posted March 26 2009 - 11:48 AM

Related: Grandfather paradox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

--
H

#3 of 18 Steve_Pannell

Steve_Pannell

    Supporting Actor

  • 588 posts
  • Join Date: Feb 04 2003
  • Real Name:Steve
  • LocationNew Albany, MS

Posted March 26 2009 - 11:52 AM

But didn't "Marvin Berry" tell Chuck over the phone that was the sound he was looking for, and not the specific song?

#4 of 18 BrianW

BrianW

    Screenwriter

  • 2,552 posts
  • Join Date: Jan 30 1999

Posted March 26 2009 - 12:30 PM

That violates the law of conservation of music.
-Brian
Come, Rubidia. Let's blow this epoch.

#5 of 18 Henry Gale

Henry Gale

    Producer

  • 4,633 posts
  • Join Date: Jul 10 1999

Posted March 26 2009 - 01:18 PM

Maybelline came from Ida Red!
"I was born to ramble, born to rove
Some men are searchin for the Holy Grail
But there ain't nothin sweeter 
Than riden' the rails."
-Tom Waits-

#6 of 18 Holadem

Holadem

    Lead Actor

  • 8,972 posts
  • Join Date: Nov 04 2000

Posted March 26 2009 - 01:48 PM

Quote:
That violates the law of conservation of music.
Posted Image

--
H

#7 of 18 drobbins

drobbins

    Screenwriter

  • 1,870 posts
  • Join Date: Dec 02 2004

Posted March 26 2009 - 02:15 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Holadem
That only works if time can be changed and I don't think it can be. But maybe then again that could explain why, according to my wife, I remember events differently than she says they happened.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve_Pannell
But didn't "Marvin Berry" tell Chuck over the phone that was the sound he was looking for, and not the specific song?
Your correct, but suppose he did hear the whole song.

Quote:
Originally Posted by BrianW
That violates the law of conservation of music.
I thought that only the RIAA enforced laws about conserving music.

#8 of 18 Holadem

Holadem

    Lead Actor

  • 8,972 posts
  • Join Date: Nov 04 2000

Posted March 26 2009 - 02:22 PM

Quote:
That only works if time can be changed and I don't think it can be.
I didn't mean to imply that anything could work. Paradoxes, by definition, don't work. What you described was one of them.

--
H

#9 of 18 Charles Knox

Charles Knox

    Agent

  • 49 posts
  • Join Date: Feb 10 2009

Posted March 27 2009 - 02:54 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Holadem
I didn't mean to imply that anything could work. Paradoxes, by definition, don't work. What you described was one of them.

--
H

Example of a classic paradox, is the whole Terminator concept of John Connor and the Terminators having to send people/machines back, in a weird attempt to make sure thier very existence stays intact. How did John Connor and Skynet come into existence in the first place?

#10 of 18 Jeff Gatie

Jeff Gatie

    Lead Actor

  • 6,530 posts
  • Join Date: Aug 19 2002

Posted March 27 2009 - 04:49 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Charles Knox
Example of a classic paradox, is the whole Terminator concept of John Connor and the Terminators having to send people/machines back, in a weird attempt to make sure thier very existence stays intact. How did John Connor and Skynet come into existence in the first place?

The TV show is handling this right now. Having multiple Terminators/humans going back in time at different places in the timeline, it seems that every individual comes from a parallel universe, with each having a different "Judgment Day". The actions of the characters in the present are manifested in a parallel future, and as such the further one comes from in the future, the more the timeline has evolved due to the actions of previous time travelers in the past.

For instance, in last weeks episode (the best of the series IMHO), it was speculated that in another universe, John Connor was fathered by someone other than Kyle Reese. As soon as Kyle came back, he split reality into another universe that had John Connor as his son.

#11 of 18 Adam Lenhardt

Adam Lenhardt

    Executive Producer

  • 14,157 posts
  • Join Date: Feb 16 2001
  • LocationAlbany, NY

Posted March 27 2009 - 06:09 AM

I just watched The Terminator in its entirety for the first time the other day. (And wow is it dated 80s!) When Sarah Connor asks Kyle Reese if he's from the future when they're in the stolen car, he's very careful to note "one possible future."
As I stated in the Sarah Connor Chronicles thread, the only way time travel can be possible without paradoxes is in a quantum theory in which each trip through time spawns a whole new set of universes. This explains why all of the people from the future can be from different futures without disappearing once actions in the past invalidate that future.

#12 of 18 Charles Knox

Charles Knox

    Agent

  • 49 posts
  • Join Date: Feb 10 2009

Posted March 27 2009 - 06:14 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Gatie
The TV show is handling this right now. Having multiple Terminators/humans going back in time at different places in the timeline, it seems that every individual comes from a parallel universe, with each having a different "Judgment Day". The actions of the characters in the present are manifested in a parallel future, and as such the further one comes from in the future, the more the timeline has evolved due to the actions of previous time travelers in the past.

For instance, in last weeks episode (the best of the series IMHO), it was speculated that in another universe, John Connor was fathered by someone other than Kyle Reese. As soon as Kyle came back, he split reality into another universe that had John Connor as his son.

I thought about your idea when posting, but it still seems improbable, because Skynet does not have roots in the past.

#13 of 18 Jeff Gatie

Jeff Gatie

    Lead Actor

  • 6,530 posts
  • Join Date: Aug 19 2002

Posted March 27 2009 - 06:18 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Charles Knox
I thought about your idea when writing this, but it still seems improbable, because Skynet does not have roots in the past.

Uhhh, it's not my idea, it's the writer's. Don't blame the messenger. Posted Image

#14 of 18 MarkHastings

MarkHastings

    Executive Producer

  • 12,013 posts
  • Join Date: Jan 27 2003

Posted March 27 2009 - 09:53 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by drobbins
Where did that song come from if nobody wrote it?
While it's hard to put any real logic into this, the Doc kind of explains a possible solution with his "skewed timeline" explanation.

Berry originally wrote the song, Marty hears it, goes back in time, plays the song, but in a NEW timeline, Chuck Berry ends up writing the song based on what he hears Marty playing....so it's not like Marty is canceling the original recording out because when he effects the past, they just end up following a new timeline of events.

#15 of 18 Michael Warner

Michael Warner

    Supporting Actor

  • 742 posts
  • Join Date: Sep 24 1999

Posted March 28 2009 - 04:17 AM

The real BTTF question is how the altered future McFly's don't seem to notice that their son looks just like that weird kid who got them together in the first place way back when.
Xbox Live: mugwumps

#16 of 18 Jerry Almeida

Jerry Almeida

    Second Unit

  • 422 posts
  • Join Date: Jun 07 1999
  • Real Name:Jerry Almeida
  • LocationTampa, FL

Posted April 01 2009 - 10:53 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Warner
The real BTTF question is how the altered future McFly's don't seem to notice that their son looks just like that weird kid who got them together in the first place way back when.

I'm glad I'm not the only who's been bothered by that for the last 20+ years.
Everybody relax, I'm here. -Jack Burton

#17 of 18 Chris Lockwood

Chris Lockwood

    Producer

  • 3,215 posts
  • Join Date: Apr 21 1999

Posted April 02 2009 - 05:07 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Charles Knox
How did John Connor and Skynet come into existence in the first place?

Mr & Mrs Connor loved each other very much, and ...

#18 of 18 Will_B

Will_B

    Producer

  • 4,733 posts
  • Join Date: Mar 06 2001

Posted April 02 2009 - 07:56 AM

There was an Outer Limits episode about an Elvis impersonator/uber-fan who traveled back in time to see Elvis perform. He accidentally kills Elvis and then, since he's a super-fan, decides he has no choice but to live out the rest of Elvis' life, including doing all the performances that the real Elvis had done.
"Scientists are saying the future is going to be far more futuristic than they originally predicted." -Krysta Now


Back to After Hours Lounge



Forum Nav Content I Follow