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#1 of 33 OFFLINE   mattCR

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Posted March 15 2009 - 05:12 PM

Well, for a series potential start, it's interesting. This requires a whole lot of suspension of disbelief. But as an alternate reality program, it is told well.

I'm of the belief having seen it that it's almost a "what if the US had instead went with Kings? What if the State of New York was a Kingdom instead?"

The one kid is a bit too lucky, but some nice eye candy.

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#2 of 33 ONLINE   Adam Lenhardt

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Posted March 15 2009 - 05:57 PM

I was intrigued by the concept (especially the biblical aspect), but didn't get around to watching. So the kingdoms replace the states? Do the European countries still exist in their present form, or are they totally different too?

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Posted March 15 2009 - 11:16 PM

This is basically telling the story of David and Saul in a modern setting. Interesting how the writers have updated the details. Ian McShane is dead on as Silas/Saul, but David needs a little more confidence in his role as Silas' eventual successor.

I thought the Goliath scene was great until David revealed to his brother that he was surrendering.... Not in keeping with the original character.

Adam. this update has nothing to do with our current world, only the technology, etc. It's pretty much ancient Israel, Philistine, etc., given different names and modernized.

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Posted March 16 2009 - 04:05 AM

I don't think at all that David needs more confidence, as we don't know from the biblical telling that David didn't have insecurity issues, etc. We know what happened, but we don't know what went on inside of David.

Yes, the series is a modern-day retelling of David and Saul, but it's not supposed to mirror everything exactly, and therefore, it doesn't matter that for the purpose of THIS story, David told his brother he was surrendering. There are lots of details in this story that don't mirror the original and they're not supposed to. But they definitely got the spirit of the original down pat.

I thought the pilot was great!

#5 of 33 OFFLINE   Stephen Orr

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Posted March 16 2009 - 04:24 AM

Yeah, noticed that the character of Jack/Jonathan has been altered quite a bit from the source character, too.

Still, I liked it, and liked the little details (a wrench and grenade instead of a slingshot, the image of a lyre built into the design of the piano, Samuels' confrontation with Silas on the steps, with an almost quote directly from the Bible, the look on Silas' face when he saw the crown of butterflies descend on David.)

It's apparent the producers have gone out of their way to honor the spirit of the story!

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Posted March 16 2009 - 04:41 AM

I watched a little bit and, at least in those scenes, I was very distracted by the super extreme close-ups on the faces of the actors. They were on my TV screen, but were shot so close that it felt like they were actually invading my personal space. And I don't need to see the pores on their faces. Posted Image

Couldn't watch enough to form an opinion about the program itself.
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Posted March 16 2009 - 08:34 AM

I had higher hopes for this show. I thought from the advertisements that it would take place in America but something had happened to create a monarch in this country. In any event i did like the show, I was just disappointed by that.
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Posted March 16 2009 - 08:37 AM

I watched it so late at night (started at 10, got done by 11:30) all I noticed was the comparitives to rebuilding towers, NYC comparisons, etc.. now I feel completely like an idiot for the obvious. I took the David / Goliath bit as a "eh" whereas I was waiting for a mythos that said "what if" the US became a kingdom. Since the commercials had built that up, it's what I -wanted- to see.

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Posted March 18 2009 - 03:49 AM

I finished watching it last night. The ratings for the pilot apparently have been dreadful. I think if they had premiered it on Thursday evenings at 10 PM as originally planned and split it into two one-hour episodes, it would have done better.

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Posted March 22 2009 - 04:46 AM

I only made it through an hour of it but will try again as I LOVE Ian McShane. Since there is no chance in hell that we will get the Deadwood finale we deserve this will be the place to catch McShane monologuing and plotting. It sounds like they shot all 12 or 13 episodes already so dreadful or not folks interested in it will likely get to see all of it somewhere...on TV with NBC, Sci-Fi or USA or something or on DVD. Maybe it gets better as it goes?

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Posted March 23 2009 - 01:42 AM

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I Maybe it gets better as it goes?

I am assuming you're talking about the ratings, as the series itself is already pretty good.

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Posted March 23 2009 - 02:29 AM

According to Ian McShane's interview on The Daily Show
Ian McShane | The Daily Show | Comedy Central
they had just finished shooting the season (two weeks ago). (The clip at the beginning of the interview was from last night's episode.) The second episode was nicely done with great imagery. These episodes look like they'll play well a second time.

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Posted April 07 2009 - 07:48 AM

In case anyone here is still watching, Kings moves to Saturday nights to finish its run. I've been enjoying it.

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NBC pulls 'Kings' from Sundays--The Live Feed
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NBC pulls 'Kings' from Sundays

Kings2 NBC is replacing freshman drama Kings on Sunday nights, yanking the struggling allegorical series after four episodes.

Kings will be swapped out for another hour of Dateline, which will now run for two hours starting at 7 p.m.

Sunday's Kings episode was seen by 3.6 million viewers and received a 1.1 rating among adults 18-49. Yet Dateline had a 1.5 rating in its half hour leading into Kings. NBC suspects an expanded Dateline will provide a better lead-in for 9 p.m.'s Celebrity Apprentice, which has seen some audience erosion in recent weeks that might be attributed to Kings.

The remaining eight episodes of Kings will air on Saturday nights at 8 p.m. starting April 18.

The situation is a shame because, as nearly every TV critic pointed out, NBC took a chance here on an imaginative idea with a strong cast. Kings, which retold the story of King David in modern times, wasn't another police procedural, it wasn't a cynical programming move. Some may harp on NBC for airing Kings on Sundays at 8 p.m. -- it's a weak slot for the network -- but if the network had misjudged the show and it was truly effective its ratings would not have sunk week to week.

Incidentally, over on iTunes, the most-recent episode of Kings currently ranks as the most-downloaded TV show.


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Posted April 07 2009 - 09:44 AM

It's different and acclaimed... so it must be taken off the air!

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Posted April 07 2009 - 11:30 AM

too bad, I really like Kings and will continue to watch. I just wish it could have been received better.
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Posted April 08 2009 - 07:54 AM

I, too , have been enjoying this show. I hope it gets better rating, but I don't think it will happen.

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Posted April 08 2009 - 08:14 AM

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I, too , have been enjoying this show. I hope it gets better rating, but I don't think it will happen.
If they actually put some publicity behind the move to Saturday night there is a chance the ratings will improve. As noted in the article
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Incidentally, over on iTunes, the most-recent episode of Kings currently ranks as the most-downloaded TV show.
So, perhaps some of these people might be able to watch it more easily on Saturday. Still, at the moment it seems likely that we'll get the rest of this season (which is already available for pre-order on Amazon as seen at Kings DVD news: Pre-order Kings - Season 1 from Amazon.com | TVShowsOnDVD.com ), but I doubt we'll see any more than that.

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Posted April 09 2009 - 01:58 AM

I hope this show gains some traction. It's a great, original idea in a sea of programming that's been done to death, and it seems to get better with each episode.
Sunday night is a challenging slot. I hope the move to Saturday picks up more viewers, even though it seems that moving a show to Saturday means it has one foot out the door.
Ian Mcshane is an intense actor, isn't he?

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Posted April 09 2009 - 05:13 AM

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Buy "Deadwood", season 2. Watch "Requiem for a Gleet".
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Posted April 09 2009 - 06:00 AM

I saw it. Deadwood was a fantastic series, and Ian was the primary reason my wife and I tuned in to check this series out.


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