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#1 of 10 OFFLINE   todd s

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Posted January 31 2009 - 04:30 AM

I all for personal rights. Heck, if someone wants 50 kids. It's not my business. But, if they expect the taxpayers to fund it..its where I draw the line. This lady who just had the 8 kids is ridiculous. She had 6 kids previously...all through in-vitro, is not married and lives with her parents who are divorced and just filed for bankruptcy. I think the hospital bills should go to the doctors who implanted her without checking into her background. I have no problem if someone has kids and then comes into hard times and needs financial help. But, if someone is in a bad financial situation...They should not have more kids and expect more money. This lady sounds like she has some mental issues. And this should have been checked.
Here is the ABC article with the info...

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Octuplets' Mom: Can She Afford to Raise 14 Kids?
Grandmother of Octuplets, Who Shares a Home With the Mom of the Eight Babies, Filed for Bankruptcy Last Year; Reportedly Says Daughter's Obsessed With Kids

By DAN CHILDS, ALICE GOMSTYN and CHRIS FRANCESCANI
Jan. 31, 2009—
The California woman who gave birth to octuplets on Monday, although once married, apparently had all 14 of her kids out of wedlock by artificial means -- and various public records raise questions about the family's ability to support them.
ABC News has learned through San Bernardino Superior Court Records that the 33-year-old California woman, whose name is Nadya Doud (she filed to have her name changed to Nadya Suleman in 2001 -- though it was not clear if the request was granted), divorced her husband, Marcos Gutierrez, in January 2008.
The document indicates "no children of the marriage," suggesting that Gutierrez was not the father of Doud's previous six children.
Meanwhile, the woman's mother, Angela Suleman, said her daughter has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager, according to an interview she gave late Friday with the Associated Press.
Angela Suleman told the AP that all 14 children were conceived through in vitro fertilization, because her daughter had always had trouble conceiving because her fallopian tubes were "plugged up.'' She said that while all the kids came from a single sperm donor, the donor is not Marcos Guitierrez.
An AP review of birth records identifies a David Solomon as the father of the oldest four children.
Doud lived with Gutierrez for about three-and-a-half years from August 1996 until January 2000, when she moved back with her parents, Edward Doud Suleman and Angela Suleman, living at several addresses, records show. The parents were granted a divorce in Las Vegas in 1999, but evidently still live together.
Within a few years of living with Gutierrez, Doud began having her 14 children.
Another set of court documents may raise the question of whether Doud will be able to afford care for all those kids. The public records indicate that Doud's mother filed for bankruptcy in March 2008.
The family currently lives in a three-bedroom home in suburban Los Angeles.
As of March, Edward Doud Suleman, apparently the octuplets' grandfather, was working in Iraq, according to the bankruptcy filing. The couple's combined monthly income was listed as roughly $8,740, but the filing indicated that Angela Suleman expected their income would rise from her husband's employment. It said that he would earn $100,000 a year. The document did not specify Suleman's husband's occupation, but Suleman told the Los Angeles Times that her husband was a contractor.
Angela Suleman told the newspaper that her daughter had had fertility treatment but never expected the treatment would result in eight babies.
She said that raising 14 children "was going to be difficult."
No matter what your income, giving birth and caring for octuplets is an expensive proposition. The infants' delivery was performed by a team of 46 doctors, nurses and surgical assistants stationed in four delivery rooms at Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center in Bellflower, Calif., and it likely cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
"You can think of it as an eightfold increase on a singleton birth," said Steven M. Donn, director of the Division of Neonatal-Perinatal Medicine at the University of Michigan Health System. "By comparison, the mother's care will probably be a bargain."
Costs for the average delivery of a full-term pregnancy range from $9,000 to $25,000, depending on whether the baby is delivered by Caesarean section or vaginally. Eight times $25,000 is a whopping $200,000.
But Donn said the cost of the octuplets' delivery likely exceeded that number because doctors prepared for the risks associated with a multiple-birth delivery.
"For reasons we don't completely understand, risks with multifetal deliveries are greater than [normal births]," Donn said.
The medical costs for babies born preterm, like the California octuplets, which were born nine weeks premature, are also above average.
"The real significant costs come on the pediatric side, particularly when it comes to neonatal intensive care," said Dr. Geeta Swamy, a maternal-fetal specialist at Duke University Medical Center.
A full-term pregnancy lasts from 38 to 42 weeks, according to the National Institutes of Health, and Swamy estimated for babies born at 30 weeks the hospital stay could be "anywhere from six weeks to six months."
For an infant stay in a neonatal intensive care unit, costs can add up to "a few thousand a day," she said.
"So we are looking at probably several hundreds of thousands of dollars for the family. If it is $100,000 per baby, for example, then it would be $800,000 for all eight," Swamy said.
Octuplets' Birth Raises Ethical Questions

Sally, a next-door neighbor and family acquaintance who requested only her first name be used, said her past conversations with the Doud indicated that she may have used assisted reproduction in her earlier pregnancies.
Sally said that the mother had told her that all six of her previous children also were conceived through artificial means.
University of Pennsylvania bioethicist Arthur Caplan said there are serious ethical concerns surrounding the decision to move forward with multiple-fetus pregnancies -- particularly if the babies were conceived through in-vitro fertilization, which Suleman has indicated was the case with her daughter.
"Anyone who transfers eight embryos should be arrested for malpractice," Caplan said.
Studies have shown that the tendency toward prematurity and low birth weight in multiple-birth babies puts them at greater risk for a variety of complications, including respiratory problems at birth, cerebral palsy, birth defects, sensory disorders and even death. These risks increase as the number of babies in the multiple birth increases.
Dr. Richard Paulson, chief of the Division of Reproductive Endocrinology and Infertility at the University of Southern California Keck School of Medicine, agreed that multiple births are a problem that should be avoided at all costs.
"Even though this story has a positive spin, it should be seen as a very serious complication of fertility treatment," Paulson said. "Patients who conceive octuplets would routinely be offered -- even advised -- selective reduction. I have to assume that in this case, the patients decided to try and carry to viability, and they were lucky, plus they got some really good doctors."
Octuplets' Tab Will Continue to Climb

When the infants leave the hospital, the bills will keep piling up.
According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture's new Cost of Raising a Child Calculator -- a new tool the department has developed to help parents prepare for expenses and life insurance -- a middle-class family living in the western United States can expect to spend at least $9,171 on year's worth of housing, food, transportation, clothing, health, education and other expenses for a single child under the age of 1.
For eight children under the age of 1, that number mushrooms to $73,368.
Projected costs keep climbing as the children get older, according to the USDA calculator. By the time the children are 17, their parents can expect to spend at least $10,133 on each child annually, or $81,064 total for the year.
Overall, from birth through high school, the family will spend a projected $171,926 per child, for a total of $1,375,408.
"The kids are going to grow up in an environment where being frugal is part of life," said Kathy Peel, the author of "The Busy Mom's Guide to a Happy, Organized Home."
Peel, a mother of three from Houston, said she believes the projections devised through the USDA calculator are low.
She said she doubted, for instance, that a family would spend $308 per year on an infant's clothing, as estimated by the USDA. Disposable diapers alone, she said, could cost about $72 a month for a single child. For eight babies, that would total nearly $7,000 a year.
Peel said that while the family can save money by buying goods in bulk, it will lose out on the cost benefits of "hand-me-down" clothing -- with all the children being the same age, she said, there won't be any clothes left to hand down.
And then there are the costs beyond adolescence, like college. By the time the octuplets turn 18 in 2027, the Web site SavingforCollege.com projects that four-year tuition at a public university will cost $87,200 per student.
If all eight octuplets head to a public college, the family could find itself stuck with tuition bills totalling nearly $700,000. That sum rises if any of the children go to a more expensive private college.
"The good news for this family is I'm sure they're going to be given a lot of things that will be very helpful," said Peel.
The Gosselin Family

In years past, families with sextuplets -- six infants born at the same time -- have received everything from free cars to new homes to guaranteed college tuition.
Jon and Kate Gosselin, the parents of twins and sextuplets and the stars of the television show "Jon & Kate Plus Eight" on the TLC network, speak openly about the free vacations they've received in exchange for free publicity on their show. Kate Gosselin also received a free tummy tuck courtesy of a physician who was also featured on the show.
The Chukwu family, who gave birth to the first-known octuplets, one of which died a week after birth, put out a call for donations when the children were born in Texas in 1998. It worked: They received cash contributions, volunteer help with child care, a year's worth of grocery and diaper donations and more.
Nkem Chukwu, the octuplets' mother, said the support the family received after the birth proved critical. She said the California octuplets' family should also ask for help.
"They need help. They need support from their community, from their church," she said.
And, she added, they have to "take it easy, just one day at a time."

Bring back John Doe! Or at least resolve the cliff-hanger with a 2hr movie or as an extra on a dvd release.

#2 of 10 OFFLINE   Michael Warner

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Posted February 02 2009 - 04:50 AM

Yep, I blame the doctors. She's quite obviously mentally unstable and they certainly should have known about that beforehand. Maybe we should send the hospital a yearly bill for raising these poor kids.
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Posted February 06 2009 - 05:20 AM

She just did an interview. And she said that most people are upset with her because she is not married. Ummmm...No. I am upset you did this because you already had 6 kids and you have NO MEANS to take care of them. You are hoping you get some sort of payday for it. Meanwhile, you are living with your bankrupt parents. I am upset that the taxpayers will have to pay for their upbringing and pay for the 100's of thousands in medical bills for their birth and neo-natal care.
Bring back John Doe! Or at least resolve the cliff-hanger with a 2hr movie or as an extra on a dvd release.

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Posted February 06 2009 - 05:36 AM

She has attention whore written all over her face, badly. With any luck, she'll get her wish- full scrutinization from social services.

I feel bad for the kids.
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Posted February 06 2009 - 07:21 AM

I head something (vaguely) to the effect that the medical ethics board is going to interview the doctor who did the insemination procedure.

I also really hope no company or tv show offers her money or products. Just for the fact it would accomplish exactly what she wanted. And might influence some other poor woman to do the same thing.
Bring back John Doe! Or at least resolve the cliff-hanger with a 2hr movie or as an extra on a dvd release.

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Posted February 06 2009 - 10:38 AM

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I head something (vaguely) to the effect that the medical ethics board is going to interview the doctor who did the insemination procedure.

I also really hope no company or tv show offers her money or products. Just for the fact it would accomplish exactly what she wanted. And might influence some other poor woman to do the same thing.

Well, her kids can certainly use the financial help though. They should just make sure that the $$$ doesn't end up in her pocket.

And yeah, they need to investigate the doctor(s)/clinic who did the fertility treatments for her -- and probably also should do a good review on regulations for this kind of stuff to help ensure stuff like this doesn't happen again.

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Posted February 07 2009 - 04:11 AM

I had read where all six of her previous kids were from in-vitro procedures, plus this new litter was as well.

She must have crazy money to do this seven times at an average cost of $10k per try.

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Posted February 07 2009 - 04:37 AM

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Costs for the average delivery of a full-term pregnancy range from $9,000 to $25,000, depending on whether the baby is delivered by Caesarean section or vaginally. Eight times $25,000 is a whopping $200,000.

The problem with this situation is that this was not an average delivery via CSection.

Off the top of my head...im guessing the cost per infant will be in the $250,000 range, prior to each one being satisfactorily discharged. It could easily hit $500,000 per child prior to discharge, depending on potential complications.

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Posted February 07 2009 - 05:56 AM

So, apparently it is a clown car...
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Posted February 08 2009 - 04:27 AM

She won a disability settlement(150k) a few years ago when she worked at a prison. She couldn't work because of back pain. Well my wife carried one child and said her back hurt. I can only imagine the back pain of carrying 8 kids. So I guess her back was good enough to carry 14 kids but not to work.

Oh and a friend of mine is an OB. He cannot believe any doctor would not check into this woman's background. He also agreed with the fertility doc on tv who said you never implant 6 embryos...two at the most. So this doctor must be real shady.
Bring back John Doe! Or at least resolve the cliff-hanger with a 2hr movie or as an extra on a dvd release.





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