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#1 of 29 OFFLINE   lcd327

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Posted December 18 2008 - 03:02 AM

Hi all,

Need a little help deciding what sub to get. With so many available choices on the market, i can honestly say i haven't the slightest clue as to what brands/subs are good and which are phony's. Here's my setup if this helps:

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Pioneer Elite VSX-92THX
Display: Pioneer Elite Pro 111FD
DVD Player: Pioneer Elite DV-48AV (upgrading to Blu Ray Shortly)
Center Channel Speaker: Boston Acoustics P450
Front L/R Speakers: Boston Acoustics P430's
Rear L/R: Yamaha NS-IW480C In celiling speakers

As you can see I've invested quite a few dollars into my set up and fully understand the sub is the "heartbeat" of the system thus don't wanna make any wrong decisions in choosing. Sub will be used for movies/music/games etc so need an all around great performer. Tight/deep base, room filling acoustics, aesthetics, etc.. The room is approx 18 x 15 and i believe a solid 10" unit should be sufficient. I'm looking at a budget of around $500 - $600 dollars for the sub + cables etc. I greatly appreciate all your input!!!!

Thanks in advance!!
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#2 of 29 OFFLINE   David Willow

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Posted December 18 2008 - 04:22 AM

Here ya go: SVSound - Cylinder Subwoofers

If you can increase the budget to $1k: SVSound - Cylinder Subwoofers

If you don't like the cylinders, the box subs from SVS are just as good (but a bit more expensive).

#3 of 29 OFFLINE   lcd327

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Posted December 18 2008 - 08:42 AM

thanks...that's interesting, i didn't even consider a circular sub..i'll def look into it. I've seen numerous postings about SVS subwoofers although have never com across one and actually been able to hear it perform. How do they measure up to the more common sub brands like Polk, Def Tech, Mirage, Velodyne, etc? I have little knowledge about the brand other than seeing it posted here and there.

I was in bestbuy the other day to pick up the new batman dvd and noticed they carry a Martin Logan sub ($679). has anyone ever tested any of their subs? I know the legendary quality their floor standing 2.1 stereo speaker sets offer, is it safe to assume their subs are of the same quality caliber?

#4 of 29 OFFLINE   David Willow

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Posted December 18 2008 - 09:45 AM

You will find that most high end speaker manufactures do not do a good job with subs (not all - I know there are exceptions). I have yet to hear a similarly priced sub beat an SVS. I bet there are folks in NJ that would be glad to let you hear one. Come over to south central PA and I will be glad to demo mine (I have an SVS older box sub). And I even have an Velodyne (although much smaller than the SVS).

If you search a bit you will find several sub shootouts that compare SVS with more B&M brands. Very interesting reading.

#5 of 29 OFFLINE   Robert_J

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Posted December 18 2008 - 10:44 AM

Other internet direct brands are Epik Subwoofers, Hsu Subwoofers and Elemental Designs. Most are partial to SVS because the founders met here in the DIY section where they were both building subs. On that note, DIY is the best value if you have the time and tools.

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#6 of 29 OFFLINE   Ed Moxley

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Posted December 18 2008 - 04:48 PM

A friend that lives almost 4 hrs. away from me, has an SVS cylinder sub. I call it "The Beast". That thing is awesome! I've never heard a sub hit lows like it did. There were even notes you couldn't hear, but could feel. I told my wife that when we could afford one, we would have one.

I like the cylinder shape too. It has a smaller foot print, than some of their box subs. I've never heard another sub that can even come close to it. But I've not heard all brands of subs. Some say HSU can hold their own with SVS, but I don't know that, personally. My next sub will be an SVS........ Posted Image
Samsung HL61A750 (LED DLP)            Onkyo TX-SR805
Oppo BDP-83 Blu ray                                  Polk Audio LSi9
Polk Audio LSiC                                  Sony SS-MB100H
SVS PC12-NSD (Sub)                       ...

#7 of 29 OFFLINE   lcd327

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Posted December 20 2008 - 12:39 PM

sweet...i think i'm going to try my luck and get an SVS sub. i'm a little weary about purchasing something i can't see or test in person before buying...but SVS seems to be one of the most recommended sub brands on many of the A/V enthusiast forums.

I'll post back with a review once it arrives to let you know what i think of it!

#8 of 29 OFFLINE   steelers_geek

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Posted December 22 2008 - 06:36 AM

I like my Outlaw Audio LFM-1 Plus! It hits very nicely. It's a 12" that cost $549. I can't seem to find anything I don't like about it!

#9 of 29 OFFLINE   lcd327

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Posted December 22 2008 - 04:29 PM

the only thing i might not like about the svs is the size...looking at the dimensions online this thing is HUGE.

#10 of 29 OFFLINE   Ed Moxley

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Posted December 22 2008 - 10:58 PM

Yes, they are. That was one reason I like their cylinder subs. Smaller footprint, but is a little tall. But I can easily live with the height........... Posted Image
Samsung HL61A750 (LED DLP)            Onkyo TX-SR805
Oppo BDP-83 Blu ray                                  Polk Audio LSi9
Polk Audio LSiC                                  Sony SS-MB100H
SVS PC12-NSD (Sub)                       ...

#11 of 29 OFFLINE   David Willow

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Posted December 23 2008 - 01:31 AM

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the only thing i might not like about the svs is the size...looking at the dimensions online this thing is HUGE.

A sub has to be large to accomplish its mission. You can go with a smaller sub, but there is no getting around the laws of physics. The size of the enclosure, the size of the driver, and the power (watts) all work together to produce the low, flat, hits you in the gut sound we desire.

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Posted December 23 2008 - 02:19 AM

funny i was at 6th ave yesterday and listened to the mirage "super cube" and a few other subs in the same price/size range . all fairly average sized only about 12" cubed.. at low volume they all sounded clean but once the volume got turned up even a little they became extremely sloppy. i could hear the cones literally rattling and clicking as if it were going to explode. This is what these stores sell for $600?? it was a joke.

that being said, I fully understand the physics part of it. It's almost impossible to get the deep, solid and continuosly tight bass at high(er) volumes from most of these little subwoofers.

How are the cylinder subs as opposed to the cubes? are they as tight and deep, or is there much performance sacrificed just because of their shape?

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Posted December 23 2008 - 04:16 AM

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I've seen numerous postings about SVS subwoofers although have never com across one and actually been able to hear it perform. How do they measure up to the more common sub brands like Polk, Def Tech, Mirage, Velodyne, etc?


SVS will kick the ever lovin' BEJEESUS out of those brands. When I was watching "The Incredible Hulk" a few weeks ago, my PB13 Ultra was very convincingly conveying the impression that the Hulk was stomping right through my listening room. SVS rules!
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Posted December 23 2008 - 04:20 AM

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SVS will kick the ever lovin' BEJEESUS out of those brands.

Posted Image Great post Alan. I can't see SVS using your quote on their website but that was a great pitch for their subs.

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Posted December 23 2008 - 10:17 AM

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Posted Image Great post Alan. I can't see SVS using your quote on their website but that was a great pitch for their subs.

When I was looking at SVS a few years ago, someone here described the sound as "skull crushing". They weren't kidding. Posted Image

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Posted December 23 2008 - 10:31 AM

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How are the cylinder subs as opposed to the cubes? are they as tight and deep, or is there much performance sacrificed just because of their shape?

To my knowledge, there is little difference. It's just a different way to get the volume needed to produce the deep bass.

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Posted December 23 2008 - 02:39 PM

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Posted Image Great post Alan. I can't see SVS using your quote on their website but that was a great pitch for their subs.

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It's just rare in this hobby to have a product or a company you can stay with for (literally) years and be as happy today as you were back when you first discovered them, you know? I probably change my gear a little less often than most folks in this hobby, but I do still change/upgrade. Well, with SVS it's always just been a matter of, "okay, I have more space...I'll just get a bigger SVS!" That's not a knock against the other guys in the sub arena, but from top to bottom...from customer service, to turnaround time, to tech support, to overall product performance in my home...I've had immensely positive experiences with the SVS guys in every aspect of the purchase.
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Posted December 24 2008 - 01:58 AM

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the only thing i might not like about the svs is the size...looking at the dimensions online this thing is HUGE.
Huge is relative. Here's a pic of a DIY sub. It doesn't look impressive until you realize that is an 18" driver. The box is the size of an industrial refrigerator.

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Posted December 24 2008 - 02:19 AM

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Huge is relative. Here's a pic of a DIY sub. It doesn't look impressive until you realize that is an 18" driver. The box is the size of an industrial refrigerator.

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WOW. i take back calling the svs "huge".

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Posted December 28 2008 - 06:13 AM

SVS, I have two tucked in a corner....I can't say I hardly notice them or anything because the shake the entire room. They are just tall but take up a little of 1 foot of floor space.


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