Jump to content


A few words about...™ Murnau, Borzage and Fox - Preview

  • Please log in to reply
40 replies to this topic

#21 of 41 OFFLINE   Rob_Kozlowski



  • 30 posts
  • Join Date: Mar 09 2005

Posted December 14 2008 - 11:42 AM

Paramount owns all their silents, and that includes The Last Command, Underworld and Docks of New York. Universal owns the talkie Von Sternbergs, starting with "Thunderbolt."

Originally Posted by Richard--W
Oh, that's right. Universal did release a couple of von Sternberg's Paramount films in their Dietrich Franchise Collection. I can't keep track anymore of who owns what.

I'll look forward to that. After The Scarlet Empress everyone expected Criterion to move faster on their von Sternbergs, but they never disappoint once the DVD comes out.

#22 of 41 OFFLINE   Tim Tucker

Tim Tucker


  • 1,023 posts
  • Join Date: Jun 10 2006

Posted December 14 2008 - 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Dave B Ferris
Has anybody found this set at a Costco yet? I looked at the shelves at two Costco's, to no avail. When I asked the staff to look up the title, they were unable to type-in the title to produce any 'hits'. They said it would be easier to search by item number.

If anybody does pick this set up at Costco, could they post the item number here, so I (and others) might have better luck with the staff/computers at Costco?

Thank you.
According to the coupon in the December Costco Connection, the item number is 357231, which it shares with the complete X-Files and Stargate sets.

Since the coupon becomes valid tomorrow, I was expecting that Murnau/Borzage would be put out this week. The other two sets are already out. I'll be very disappointed if they don't show up here.

Hmmmm.... Murnau/Borzage... sounds like an investment bank. Posted Image

BARBARA WRIGHT: You're from Earth?
MORTON DILL: No... no, ma'am, I... I'm from Alabama.
Doctor Who: Flight Through Eternity

#23 of 41 OFFLINE   Dave B Ferris

Dave B Ferris

    Supporting Actor

  • 752 posts
  • Join Date: Apr 27 2000

Posted December 14 2008 - 01:27 PM

Thanks, Tim, for the reply. I think those are all Fox products, so I have a sinking feeling I may still have difficulties with Costco's computer system.

Still, I intend to at least try to determine if they'll be stocking this item at any of my local stores.

Thanks again.

#24 of 41 OFFLINE   Richard--W



  • 3,527 posts
  • Join Date: Jun 20 2004

Posted December 14 2008 - 02:09 PM

I hefted one in Costco a couple of days ago. The weight of it is impressive. The box-set has the authority of weight(!). Costco cost: $180. Maybe after the holidays. I gather, from what a sales clerk told me, that Costco lumps different products from one brand under the same lot number. So if I buy Alfred Hitchcock Presents volumes 2 and 3 at $16 each, they ring up as the same thing twice, but if I want volume 1, they don't have a separate number with which to find it, because it's all under the same lot number from Universal. Likewise all Disney stuff is under the same lot number regardless of which title.

#25 of 41 OFFLINE   Charles Ellis

Charles Ellis


  • 1,890 posts
  • Join Date: Jan 05 2002

Posted December 15 2008 - 03:41 AM

I remember how big the Ford box was- huge!

It's ironic that Fox is willing to make deluxe sets from their silent film catalog, while its TV division has done very little in releasing its classic shows from the 50s and 60s!
Bring "The continuing story of PEYTON PLACE" home on DVD: the one that started it all- from Dallas and Dynasty to Desperate Housewives and Gossip Girl!!! Starting this May, see the legendary saga starring Mia Farrow, Ryan O'Neal, Barbara Parkins, and Oscar-winner Dorothy Malone on DVD thru...

#26 of 41 OFFLINE   Jeffrey Nelson

Jeffrey Nelson


  • 1,062 posts
  • Join Date: Sep 04 2003
  • Real Name:Jeffrey Nelson
  • LocationSeattle, WA

Posted December 15 2008 - 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by Rob_Kozlowski
Paramount owns all their silents, and that includes The Last Command, Underworld and Docks of New York.

I don't think they own IT (1927)...it's out on two different DVD labels currently, and both of these releases are from legitimate companies, Milestone and Kino.

#27 of 41 OFFLINE   haroldS


    Stunt Coordinator

  • 117 posts
  • Join Date: Feb 01 2006

Posted December 15 2008 - 10:47 AM

Two things.

Costco groups different titles, if they are bought them at the same time, from the same same distributor and in approximately the same retail price group, with one stock number. See their recent group from Universal which includes the new Gregory Peck Collection along with Cecil B. DeMille and the Marx Brothers ($10. off last week).

Locally, Costco got three copies of this set in last week and today they had the same three sets left, but they moved them and it took ten minutes to find them. It's not a coupon item, but an instant discount, though sales tax is collected on the higher price.

Now for my question. The Murnau set includes "Sunrise" including a "European Version" which is presumed to be a German version. This version runs 11 minutes longer then the "Movietone" version. What is this longer version? It is one filmed by Fox for european release or was a version filmed before Fox produced his version? And what is the difference between the two versions?

#28 of 41 OFFLINE   Eric Peterson

Eric Peterson


  • 2,959 posts
  • Join Date: Aug 02 2001

Posted December 16 2008 - 02:56 AM

I've got a co-worker running me to Costco at lunch today. Hopefully they have this in stock where we're going. I saw a posting on another board, where somebody picked up the set for $130 at a Costco.

For that price, I could buy a year's membership and still be less than the best web deal right now.

#29 of 41 OFFLINE   WilliamMcK


    Stunt Coordinator

  • 185 posts
  • Join Date: Oct 03 2005
  • Real Name:Biff
  • LocationNew York, NY

Posted December 16 2008 - 06:34 AM

I should wait and post once I'm more certain of things; but a cursory glance through the flipper Sunrise disc in Murnau/Borzage set shows a couple of misstatements on the part of Fox Home Video. There's only one commentary track--the John Bailey that was part of the Studio Classics Version (the original press statement had promised the Bailey plus a new one by Robert Birchard and Anthony Slide) and the running time is listed 106 min, but the Movietone version is 96 min and I *think* the European version (Czech... not German) is much, much shorter... about 71 min (I haven't watched it all the way through, but I clicked through the disc chapter by chapter... my timing on the European version could be way off... but it's definitely shorter). In the early scenes the main difference I noticed with my brief spot checking is that the European version simply contains far fewer shots... just as if the film were cut. The gray scale for the b&w image is much, much better on the European version however (the image, though, is 1.33 and seems cropped, as opposed to the pillared box 1.20 movietone version). Another peculiarity: the European version is advertised as the "silent" version, yet it utilizes the same Movietone score on an old optical track as the American version.

I could be wrong, but the good news is that I think there is marginal improvement in the Movietone/American version's image over the old Studio Classic disc (it's not huge... in fact I wouldn't even want to swear to it... but to my eyes it looked better).

If your main reason for purchasing the set is the additional Sunrise material you mat be a bit disappointed (though God knows, there are many, many more reasons to get this gorgeous box); but even though the Czech print of Sunrise is a bit of a bust as far as I'm concerned, it's better gray scale could help elucidate images from the full version of the movie.

#30 of 41 OFFLINE   Mark Zimmer

Mark Zimmer


  • 4,267 posts
  • Join Date: Dec 31 1969

Posted December 18 2008 - 07:45 AM

Well, at least Fox didn't skimp on providing another HEAVY box. This thing weighs a ton. Thank heavens for Amazon Super Saver Shipping!

#31 of 41 OFFLINE   Russell G

Russell G

    Fake Shemp

  • 9,901 posts
  • Join Date: Sep 20 2002
  • Real Name:Russell
  • LocationDeadmonton

Posted November 14 2011 - 05:47 AM

If anyone's cheap and in Canada (like myself), this set can be had at HMV for $89.99 CDN. I jumped on it, look forward to watching everything in this for the first time (aside from the brilliant Sunrise).

#32 of 41 OFFLINE   ShowsOn


    Second Unit

  • 252 posts
  • Join Date: Mar 21 2011

Posted November 14 2011 - 11:40 AM

Well that's annoying. I would buy it too if I was in Canada.

#33 of 41 OFFLINE   Richard--W



  • 3,527 posts
  • Join Date: Jun 20 2004

Posted November 14 2011 - 04:05 PM

I still haven't caught up with this box set, but some of you may be interested in this English-friendly German DVD -- http://static.hometh...um.com/imgrepo/ from Edition Filmuseum, a label that releases many early films from German directors who later migrated to the USA. The River (199) is a fine respectable transfer, and the supplements on disc 2 include three western shorts from the beginning of Borzage's career: 1915 The Pitch O'Chance 1916 The Pilgrim 1916 Nugget Jim's Partner (aka The Calibre of a Man) Borzage not only directs the westerns, he stars in them, too. Clean sharp transfers each lasting about 24 minutes. The stories are moral lessons very much in the William S. Hart mold who was hot as a pistol at the time. So far as I know Borzage's westerns are not available anywhere else. I bought mine used from a local collector but I find it sold on Germany's amazon: http://www.amazon.de...vdaficiona0e-21

#34 of 41 OFFLINE   Charles Smith

Charles Smith

    Extremely Talented Member

  • 4,208 posts
  • Join Date: Jun 27 2007
  • LocationNor'east

Posted November 25 2012 - 10:35 AM


I've had this in my cart, like, forever, and was just checking on something else when I saw that Amazon had suddenly dropped their price from the recent "normal" $181 to $137.99 -- which could easily be a Black Friday or one-day-only thing.

I just jumped on it.  You can, too!    Posted Image

#35 of 41 OFFLINE   Dick



  • 4,156 posts
  • Join Date: May 22 1999
  • Real Name:Rick

Posted November 28 2012 - 05:20 AM

You can get both SUNRISE and CITY GIRL on Masters of Cinema Blu-ray discs (with lots of extras, including both cuts of SUNRISE) from the UK right now for roughly 12 pounds sterling each. Go to Amazon UK. I have both of these, and they are superb. Furthermore, they are region-free.

#36 of 41 OFFLINE   Richard--W



  • 3,527 posts
  • Join Date: Jun 20 2004

Posted November 28 2012 - 09:23 AM

I second the recommendation for the MoC discs of CITY GIRL and SUNRISE. You couldn't ask for better transfers.

#37 of 41 OFFLINE   battlebeast


    Supporting Actor

  • 739 posts
  • Join Date: Aug 10 2010
  • Real Name:Warren
  • LocationEdmonton, Alberta

Posted November 29 2012 - 05:28 AM

are the City Girl/Sunrise Blu Rays Region free?

I recently watched all 485 Best pictures (plus about 10 others films) in 365 days! www.oscarmovs.com

#38 of 41 OFFLINE   JoHud



  • 2,660 posts
  • Join Date: Sep 11 2007
  • Real Name:Joe Hudak

Posted November 29 2012 - 05:53 AM


#39 of 41 OFFLINE   JoeDoakes



  • 1,950 posts
  • Join Date: Apr 01 2009
  • Real Name:Ray

Posted November 29 2012 - 08:27 AM

Would anyone who has this set be willing to part with their They had to See Paris disk?

#40 of 41 OFFLINE   Richard--W



  • 3,527 posts
  • Join Date: Jun 20 2004

Posted November 30 2012 - 08:20 AM

Are you asking if anyone would be willing to lend it to you for a week or two?

0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

Forum Nav Content I Follow