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The Dark Knight changing Aspect Ratio feels like a Joke


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#1 of 621 EnricoE

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Posted November 24 2008 - 12:50 AM

today i was able sneak peek the br of the dark knight. audio and video quality are top notch. but that wasn't my concern in the first place. my concern was the changing aspect ratio in the movie. every time the aspect ratio changes, i got a bit moved out of the movie. the imax scene do like pretty nice but they wont make much of a difference in the home theater. the film was shown in full 2.35:1 in it's theatrical run but warner opmits this version by only including the imax experience. i find this as a bad move. we don't even get an option to choose which version we wanna see and i would've preferred the full widescreen experience over the imax release version.

i know it is mr. nolan's vision but it doesn't mean it's the better one. sorry warner, no purchase from me on this. maybe if it's in a bargain bin or the full widescreen version is released on blu-ray. till then i give the br back to my friend who lent it to me for watching the film.

#2 of 621 Joseph J.D

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Posted November 24 2008 - 01:10 AM

Well Enrico....I respect your opinion on the matter of changing aspect ratios.....everyone has their particular preference. However, I watched the IMAX experience (it was the only version that I was going to watch since it was Nolan's vision for the film) so I welcome this version being released.

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#3 of 621 Ric Easton

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Posted November 24 2008 - 01:17 AM

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i would've preferred the full widescreen experience over the imax release version.

I'm with you. I use mattes to crop out the black bars, they will be useless with this movie. I cannot understand why they could not give us both versions like with "How the West Was Won" ...we got the letterbox and smilebox versions.

Maybe I'll rent it and hope for a 2.35:1 version later.

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Posted November 24 2008 - 01:25 AM

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Well Enrico....I respect your opinion on the matter of changing aspect ratios.....everyone has their particular preference. However, I watched the IMAX experience (it was the only version that I was going to watch since it was Nolan's vision for the film) so I welcome this version being released.

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#5 of 621 Craig Beam

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Posted November 24 2008 - 01:41 AM

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i know it is mr. nolan's vision but it doesn't mean it's the better one.

So other people's art should be reformatted to fit your particular preference? Since it's Mr. Nolan's movie and not yours, I'd say respecting his vision is of paramount importance, and Warner absolutely did the right thing.

#6 of 621 Travis Brashear

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Posted November 24 2008 - 02:27 AM

WTF?! Respectfully, this thread feels like a joke...
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Posted November 24 2008 - 03:23 AM

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Since it's Mr. Nolan's movie and not yours, I'd say respecting his vision is of paramount importance, and Warner absolutely did the right thing.
Yeah, I find it kinda odd but it is the proper presentation for the movie nonetheless.

#8 of 621 Nicholas Martin

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Posted November 24 2008 - 03:23 AM

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I can't wait to purchase this on release date.....the only question that remains for me is whether to get the steelbook being released by Future Shop (In Canada), the Batpod version.....or both. Posted Image

I'm getting both DVD and BD steelbooks from there. Best of both worlds, I say.

I have a toy Batpod with a Batman attached to it, so getting a statue version doesn't matter to me.


I fully embrace the 2.35:1 / 1.78:1 shifting Blu-ray, and will enjoy the theatrical DVD as well.

Here's a Blu-ray review:
http://www.dvdbeaver....ht_blu-ray.htm

One thing that I am curious about though, is what AR will the IMAX scenes be on the DVD version, because the DVD has them separately on disc 2 of the set. Will it be 1.78 or the original 1.44?

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Posted November 24 2008 - 03:51 AM

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So other people's art should be reformatted to fit your particular preference? Since it's Mr. Nolan's movie and not yours, I'd say respecting his vision is of paramount importance, and Warner absolutely did the right thing.

Until of course George Lucas changes something in Star Wars (to meet his vision) or another director changes something that is in an important film and magically the directors vision doesn't matter.

The double standard some (not saying you directly but no doubt there are many who feel that way but trash Lucas for the star wars changes) have is funny to me.

I have yet to see this dark night blu-ray and I am pretty certain I won't care about the changing aspect ratio thing but it does sound like it bothers many so I fail to see why warner couldn't have thrown both versions on the disc.

#10 of 621 Jason Seaver

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Posted November 24 2008 - 03:55 AM

1.78, IIRC - they're not going to make the picture narrower during those scenes.

I must admit, I wouldn't have had much of an issue if WB had left the whole thing at 2.35:1 - as much as I liked having the screen get bigger for the extended sequences at the IMAX theater, it was a bit jarring when it would open up just for an establishing shot.
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#11 of 621 Carlo Medina

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Posted November 24 2008 - 04:06 AM

Funny, the aspect ratio change should be much less here than in the iMax screen (1.44->2.35 vs. 1.78->2.35), so hopefully the effect should be less dramatic.

That said, I saw it in iMax (for my 3rd viewing) and I was not bothered at all by the change in AR. The friend I was with, she didn't even notice it at all.

#12 of 621 Bob_L

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Posted November 24 2008 - 04:30 AM

The director's vision? Don't be silly.

The "director's vision" was to have a more or less standard widescreen theatrical image switch to a 52-foot-high 1.44:1 image; not to switch from 2.35 to 1.78 on a 60-inch LCD screen.

Home theater is a different medium, kids.

And, frankly, the way the IMAX footage was used in the film, it felt more like a business arrangement between Warner and IMAX than an aesthetic decision. For example, the second-unit aerial shots were cool in IMAX--the resolution was remarkable--but didn't add one damned thing to the film.

#13 of 621 Paul Arnette

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Posted November 24 2008 - 04:39 AM

Shifting aspect ratios won't keep me from purchasing this disc; however how many times exactly does the ratio switch? I was under the impression that only the Joker's introduction was filmed in IMAX, which would mean only one shift. Is that not the case?
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#14 of 621 Bob_L

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Posted November 24 2008 - 04:47 AM

Actually, Paul, the aspect ratio switched MANY times in the IMAX theatrical print. Sometimes for just a few seconds of an establishing shot.

#15 of 621 Mike Williams

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Posted November 24 2008 - 04:48 AM

Approximately 20 minutes of the film was shot in IMAX, which I believe is about 6 scenes, some extended, some as short as an establishing shot.

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Posted November 24 2008 - 05:06 AM

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So other people's art should be reformatted to fit your particular preference? Since it's Mr. Nolan's movie and not yours, I'd say respecting his vision is of paramount importance, and Warner absolutely did the right thing.

Mr. Nolan didn't seem to have any problem with it being reformatted for display on tens of thousands of non-Imax movie theater screens around the country. There's more then enough room on the Blu-ray disc to include both versions. Why not satisfy everyone?
 

 


#17 of 621 Edwin-S

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Posted November 24 2008 - 05:11 AM

This switches from 2.35:1 to 1.78:1? I thought the shots in IMAX would switch to 1.44:1, therefore requiring pillarboxing. If it switches to 1.78:1 wouldn't this be a third version that was never theatrically shown? In other words, none of the theatrically shown versions are being released on BD.

People can go on and on about director's vision, but this film was released in a 2.35:1 format for non-IMAX presentation and Nolan wasn't complaining about it, so why isn't it being included on the BD release? I only saw the 2.35:1 version and was fine with it. Why are they releasing this movie with a reformatting that is neither Nolan's "vision" nor the proper 2.35:1 non-IMAX theatrical release?
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#18 of 621 Michel_Hafner

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Posted November 24 2008 - 05:17 AM

Aspect ratio change or not, some of the Beaver shots show annoying sharpening halos. Especially this one:
http://www.dvdbeaver...VDReviews43/the dark knight blu-ray bale ledger/large1/dark knight blu-ray3.jpg

#19 of 621 Travis Brashear

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Posted November 24 2008 - 05:18 AM

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The director's vision? Don't be silly.

The "director's vision" was to have a more or less standard widescreen theatrical image switch to a 52-foot-high 1.44:1 image; not to switch from 2.35 to 1.78 on a 60-inch LCD screen.

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People can go on and on about director's vision, but this film was released in a 2.35:1 format for non-IMAX presentation and Nolan wasn't complaining about it, so why isn't it being included on the BD release? I only saw the 2.35:1 version and was fine with it. Why are they releasing this movie with a reformatting that is neither Nolan's "vision" nor the proper 2.35:1 non-IMAX theatrical release?

Guys, you do realize the Blu-ray's formatting was specifically at Nolan's request, right? He may have "settled" for 2.35:1-in-total for most theaters but what he "wants" is shifting aspect ratios. In fact, he fell so in love with the IMAX process, he's hoping to film his future creations fully in that format, cost allowing...
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#20 of 621 Patrick McCart

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Posted November 24 2008 - 05:36 AM

It's getting an IMAX re-release in January, which is the only way to see this properly. Part of the IMAX experience is the complete immersion in the image. This is impossible on even the best HD systems.


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