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Films that need DVD Releases with their Original Aspect Ratio, anamorphic if need be!


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#1 of 130 OFFLINE   Bob Furmanek

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Posted November 21 2008 - 11:11 AM

From the "Show Business Bible" - Variety - July 14, 1954:

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#2 of 130 OFFLINE   BillyFeldman

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Posted November 21 2008 - 11:43 AM

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From the "Show Business Bible" - Variety - July 14, 1954:

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Well, can't get more definitive than THAT! Now, what about Sabrina? DVD is full frame - released in October 1954. I've only seen it full frame, but suddenly if one looks at the headroom - well, a bit much, methinks. What thinks you?

#3 of 130 OFFLINE   Bob Furmanek

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Posted November 21 2008 - 12:18 PM

SABRINA began production in late September 1953, and Paramount went all wide-screen in mid-March of that year.

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#4 of 130 OFFLINE   Robert Crawford

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Posted November 21 2008 - 12:58 PM

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SABRINA began production in late September 1953, and Paramount went all wide-screen in mid-March of that year. Their pre-VistaVision wide-screen ratio is 1:66.
So Paramount just released it again last week without it being in its OAR.







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#5 of 130 OFFLINE   Bob Furmanek

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Posted November 21 2008 - 02:07 PM

The tech folks at Paramount are under the impression that wide-screen at the studio began with VistaVision. In the second Martin and Lewis box set, all the VV titles are 1.85 but LIVING IT UP is 1.37. It should be 1.66.

In fact, there's an interview with director Norman Taurog in Motion Picture Daily discussing the difference in composing a comedy for wide-screen.

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#6 of 130 OFFLINE   Jack Theakston

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Posted November 21 2008 - 03:10 PM

SABRINA's aspect ratio is actually 1.75:1. The DVD is a true open matte and using a crop function in a program such as The KMPlayer works quite nicely.
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Posted November 21 2008 - 03:17 PM

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Well, can't get more definitive than THAT! Now, what about Sabrina? DVD is full frame - released in October 1954. I've only seen it full frame, but suddenly if one looks at the headroom - well, a bit much, methinks. What thinks you?

In my review, I quoted one of our resident experts Jack Theakston who told me SABRINA was supposed to be framed at 1.75:1. I checked this before I posted the review because it looked like way too much headroom.

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Posted November 21 2008 - 05:22 PM

I'm glad to know my eyes aren't deceiving me. I wonder if we could make a list of all the transfers from 1954 releases that are incorrectly transfered? I think it would be interesting.

#9 of 130 OFFLINE   Jack Theakston

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Posted November 21 2008 - 05:53 PM

First, you'd have to compile a list of films from 1954 that are OUT on DVD to begin with! Posted Image

This is, unfortunately, a problem that isn't just limited to films that were made in 1954, of course.
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Posted November 21 2008 - 05:57 PM

I think this is a great idea, and it definitely should not be limited to a single year.

#11 of 130 OFFLINE   BillyFeldman

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Posted November 21 2008 - 07:34 PM

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First, you'd have to compile a list of films from 1954 that are OUT on DVD to begin with! Posted Image

This is, unfortunately, a problem that isn't just limited to films that were made in 1954, of course.

This I know. The already mentioned The Night Of The Hunter, The Bad Seed, the region one of Dial 'M' For Murder - I'm going to go through my DVDs and see what else I can find.

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Posted November 21 2008 - 08:27 PM

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This I know. The already mentioned The Night Of The Hunter, The Bad Seed, the region one of Dial 'M' For Murder - I'm going to go through my DVDs and see what else I can find.

From my collection alone


Them!
Bride of the Monster (Wade Williams)
Creature With The Atom Brain
Moby Dick*
Deadly Mantis (not even true open matte, heavily zoomed in)
She Demons
Monster From Green Hell
Invisible Invaders
Plan 9 From Outer Space (Wade Williams)
Reptilicus*
Blood Feast*

Too tight on a 16:9 zoom, copes ok on a 14:9 zoom

Were Disney's first two 1.66:1 animated features, 101 Dalmations and Sword in the Stone, filmed open matte? The DVDs of them are 4:3, probably because everyone whined when Jungle Book and Robin Hood were released widescreen

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Posted November 22 2008 - 01:29 AM

This should really be done in a new thread, but here goes:

Ma and Pa Kettle at Home
Ma and Pa Kettle at Waikiki
The Kettles in the Ozarks
The Kettles on Old MacDonald's Farm
Creature from the Black Lagoon
Revenge of the Creature
The Creature Walks Among Us
Baby Doll
Kiss Me Kate
The Long, Long Trailer
Cowboy
The Moon-Spinners
In Search of The Castaways
Blackbeard's Ghost

#14 of 130 OFFLINE   Bob Furmanek

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Posted November 22 2008 - 04:29 AM

The new films actually composed for wide-screen began hitting theaters around July/August of 1953. Prior to that, the films shown theatrically in wide-screen would have been filmed prior to the transitional period of April/May. I would start a list based on releases post 7/1/53.

I made a mistake in assuming SABRINA was 1:66. (Making assumptions is a dangerous thing!) Paramount did convert to a house ratio of 1:66 in late March of 1953, and that remained their preferred ratio until the introduction of VistaVision in October, 1954.

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However, SABRINA was a rare exception and should be 1:75.

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By the way, I found this some time ago but forgot to post it.

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Posted November 22 2008 - 04:31 AM

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This should really be done in a new thread, but here goes:

Ma and Pa Kettle at Home
Ma and Pa Kettle at Waikiki
The Kettles in the Ozarks
The Kettles on Old MacDonald's Farm
Creature from the Black Lagoon
Revenge of the Creature
The Creature Walks Among Us
Baby Doll
Kiss Me Kate
The Long, Long Trailer
Cowboy
The Moon-Spinners
In Search of The Castaways
Blackbeard's Ghost

Maybe we should spin this off into a new thread? Of those you listed, Cowboy is correctly widescreen on a region 2 DVD I have.

#16 of 130 OFFLINE   Bob Furmanek

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Posted November 22 2008 - 04:43 AM

I agree, the information is going to get lost here.

Perhaps the moderators would like a separate, pinned Aspect Ratio thread for this forum? If so, I will be happy to contribute.

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#17 of 130 OFFLINE   BillyFeldman

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Posted November 22 2008 - 05:15 AM

So will I. How do we do it?

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Posted November 22 2008 - 07:50 AM

Here you go.........






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#19 of 130 OFFLINE   BillyFeldman

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Posted November 22 2008 - 08:17 AM

Thanks, Robert! This thread is a wonderful idea, and hopefully will do some good in correcting a lot of misinformation out there - at least, for those with open minds who believe proof when it's offered.

Just to have it in this thread - Columbia's Anatomy Of A Murder DVD is incorrectly transfered open matte - the UK DVD is anamorphic and correctly transfered. (Unless Columbia has done a new transfer that I somehow missed).

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Posted November 22 2008 - 08:25 AM

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Thanks, Robert! This thread is a wonderful idea, and hopefully will do some good in correcting a lot of misinformation out there - at least, for those with open minds who believe proof when it's offered.

Just to have it in this thread - Columbia's Anatomy Of A Murder DVD is incorrectly transfered open matte - the UK DVD is anamorphic and correctly transfered. (Unless Columbia has done a new transfer that I somehow missed).
I have an high definition recording of Anatomy of a Murder on my DVR that HD Net Movies had months ago. It was in its OAR.





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