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#21 of 64 OFFLINE   BrettV

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Posted November 13 2008 - 08:53 AM

All I know is that Joe Esposito had BETTER be on board with this. "You're the Best Around" is clearly the greatest montage music ever to grace the silver screen.

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Posted November 13 2008 - 09:18 AM

I never really got this whole notion of "Reimangined for a new generation of fans" idea, why not just show them the original?

Kids will watch pretty much anything and if they are young enough and not yet very critical chances are better that they will enjoy it.

Take Disney's classics for example, why did we never get animated remakes of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, Lady and the Tramp or Bambi?

Kids watch those older films and eat them up to this day, I never understood why they wouldn't enjoy live action classics like, say, The Karate Kid? It still has very accessible themes that are relevant today, school bullying, the strength of friendship etc.

I like to think of myself as being open to remakes but in my strong opinion this isn't one we need, I don't care for the idea and I certaintly don't care for the casting.
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Posted November 13 2008 - 09:46 AM

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I never really got this whole notion of "Reimangined for a new generation of fans" idea, why not just show them the original?

Kids will watch pretty much anything and if they are young enough and not yet very critical chances are better that they will enjoy it.

Take Disney's classics for example, why did we never get animated remakes of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, Lady and the Tramp or Bambi?

Kids watch those older films and eat them up to this day, I never understood why they wouldn't enjoy live action classics like, say, The Karate Kid? It still has very accessible themes that are relevant today, school bullying, the strength of friendship etc.

I like to think of myself as being open to remakes but in my strong opinion this isn't one we need, I don't care for the idea and I certaintly don't care for the casting.

I think the motivation is more "hey ... this franchise made a lot of money back in the day .... lets dress it up in modern clothing for a new theaterical release!".

If they want to bring it back, I think they should offer Ralph Macchio a role. Maybe not in the "Miyagi-sensei" role per se, but perhaps he could play a teacher or something.

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Posted November 13 2008 - 11:51 AM

John, if a kid is brought up to watch "older" films then I think he/she would. If not then it's doubtful. I always defend younger people about classic movies but it really depends on the parents.

Plus, to me, movies aren't movies anymore. The studios are catering to people who get some cash from mom and dad on the weekends and they meet up with their friends at the movies. They want to watch something "current" and that's why these remakes do so well.

I don't understand what the problem is because fans of the original are going to get a new DVD and a new generation will at least hear about the original. Whether or not they go watch it is another thing but I'm sure these older versions have gained new fans from the remakes.

The original KARATE KIDS is never mentioned in the media. No one "young" could have heard about it unless a parent showed it to them. The original film, due to the remake, will get back into the media and this is the only way it could have happened.

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Posted November 13 2008 - 05:14 PM

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I don't understand what the problem is because fans of the original are going to get a new DVD and a new generation will at least hear about the original. Whether or not they go watch it is another thing but I'm sure these older versions have gained new fans from the remakes.

I very much agree with this. I remember walking out of Peter Jackson's King Kong and a little kid, jazzed from seeing the film, asked his parents if they could go rent the "old black & white one".

And let's no forget that without these re-imaginings, we wouldn't have gotten classics such as The Thing and The Fly which are both arguably even more famous than their originals. I know that 90% of the case they don't turn out that good. But every so often we get a decent one (ie. King Kong, Dawn of the Dead).

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Posted November 13 2008 - 05:54 PM

It's a bit hard to get too worked up or offended by this anyway. Karate Kid III and TNKK were really ... really ... bad. The Karate Kid was just pure pop entertainment, nothing more, nothing less, this new movie would really have to try to be worse than KKIII.

It was basically "Rocky for the younger set" chok full of 80s romance/pop soundtrack and the whole sorta strange 80s fetish for all things relating to Asian culture (see also: The Gremlins, Temple of Doom, etc.).

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Posted November 13 2008 - 09:01 PM

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The Karate Kid was just pure pop entertainment, nothing more, nothing less

I disagree with this (at least I think I do since I can't tell from your post if your a fan of the film or not).

The original is a classic that stands as a testimate to friendship, first love and the need to prove one's self against great odds, even if it means getting your ass kicked.

Here's what I know, I have no children but if I did I would introduce my son or daughter to the original film in a hot minute since it meant so much to me growing up, if they watch it and don't care for it then fine but it won't be from lack of trying on my part.

IMO that's what classics are for, to pass along to other generations to enjoy just as you did, not just assume that they somehow won't be good enough or accessible enough to modern children.

It is a good thing that a remake will probably spark intrest in younger people to check out the original but I also feel that by seeing the remake first it will color their opinion of the original and that latter far outweighs the former.

I guess i'm just tired of this desire to negate classics and put expiration dates on them, by doing that it cheapens them and robs them of their purpose.
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Posted November 13 2008 - 09:33 PM

A remake of THE KARATE KID. Oh, come on.

These unoriginal ideas get more dopey every day.

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Posted November 13 2008 - 09:40 PM

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This is what I don't understand about people who don't like remakes. Do you want them to follow the original story 100%? If not, then the original was aimed at teenagers while this one here will be aimed at children. If this is going to be aimed at children then I doubt Smith is going to have his skull crashed to bloody bits like the original film. He'll probably just be a new kid at school who is getting picked up and then he learns karate to become "cool" or what not.

The original film is one of my favorites so I'm glad they're not trying to make a copycat remake and instead try something new. Heck, this film was already remade with THE NEXT KARATE KID.

Then call it something else. I realize the reason they'd make another "KARATE KID" is because of the marketing appeal in the title, but that's also a big part of what really pisses me off. I am so damned tired of having to add a year every time I discuss films.... like DAWN OF THE DEAD (original 1978 verison).... NO!! "DAWN OF THE DEAD" should be "DAWN OF THE DEAD", period ---

Yes, I realize that remakes in general are "nothing new".... but it's obvious that in recent years there has been a trend going on unlike never before in remaking movies that have no business being remade, and just cashing in on a title... and to movies that already hold up and are already modern enough. Remakes may have been done forever, but never before have people of all walks of life now picked up on it being so over-abundant and needless.

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No it's called doing something new. Do you really want a scene for scene remake like PSYCHO or THE OMEN? Or would you rather it try something new like the other 99% of remakes out there?

How about a whole brand new idea and theme ... period? I guess if there HAS to be a remake I'd prefer it to be different... but then, why even call it the original name (except to sponge off the original's reputation, I mean)?

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Did you see how much PROM NIGHT made on its opening weekend? It was downright horrid but people lined up for it.

Wait a minute, though. One moment you suggest that people (especially younger kids) don't even remember the originals, but here you are suggesting that it makes sense to remake PROM NIGHT because it's a popular film and people recognize it?

Also - I know we've had this before in our discussions - but people like to go to the movies, right? When they go to the movies, they have no choice but to see whatever is on the menu for them to buy a ticket for. So, in other words, if a PROM NIGHT remake and a KARATE KID remake and and OMEN remake are largely what is on the marquee for young folks, then that's pretty much the choices they have and what they'll pay to see. If the studios would make completely original films, then THOSE would be what people would see. You can't pay to see remakes if they're not on the bill. So it's not that people are "lining up for remakes", it's just that this is largely all there is out there to spend their money on at the local multiplex.

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Remaking THE KARATE KID with Will Smith's name tied to it would draw big crowds. Fans have to accept the facts that we're living in the past on these movies and the majority of moviegoers (ala teenagers) don't give a rats ass about some movie made 20+ years ago. They want some new and that's why they constantly throw down $20 to see it.

First -- so the movies should be dumbed down to cater to them, rather than the viewers learning to become sophisticated enough to appreciate older movies - even if the originals are only 10 - 15 years older in some cases?

Second -- if they want to see something "new" as you say, why not offer up completely new and fresh original ideas? You can't say "because the old titles bring in customers", when you admit that most of these youngsters probably haven't even heard of THE OMEN or PROM NIGHT!

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Just because you and I love this film just means that there are a few more million out there who don't care a lick about it.

I've never even seen THE KARATE KID Posted Image But this response is due to my being fed up with modern remakes to popular films in general.

And just because new audiences are intolerant of older movies and only accept new remakes, that's no reason I should "care a lick" about needless modern remakes. It just sounds like you're wanting us to try and understand, to care, and to accept the reality. That isn't going to happen.... if they don't have to care a lick about old movies, I don't have to care a lick about needless modern remakes. Right?

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And before we get too off topic, THE KARATE KID was nothing more than Akira Kurosawa's SANSHIRO SUGATA made over with a touch of ROCKY. It was certainly far from being original. Since people are going to boycott this film then they could just go back and watch what influenced it so much.

Well, this is the route you always take. Sure we can say that virtually any film ever made has some influence of other things ... JAWS is MOBY DICK ... but that's arguing semantics, and we know that something like JAWS was still pretty darn original in 1975, despite its influences and origins.

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Posted November 13 2008 - 10:01 PM

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I disagree with this (at least I think I do since I can't tell from your post if your a fan of the film or not).

The original is a classic that stands as a testimate to friendship, first love and the need to prove one's self against great odds, even if it means getting your ass kicked.

Here's what I know, I have no children but if I did I would introduce my son or daughter to the original film in a hot minute since it meant so much to me growing up, if they watch it and don't care for it then fine but it won't be from lack of trying on my part.

IMO that's what classics are for, to pass along to other generations to enjoy just as you did, not just assume that they somehow won't be good enough or accessible enough to modern children.

It is a good thing that a remake will probably spark intrest in younger people to check out the original but I also feel that by seeing the remake first it will color their opinion of the original and that latter far outweighs the former.

I guess i'm just tired of this desire to negate classics and put expiration dates on them, by doing that it cheapens them and robs them of their purpose.

Hey, I loved the film growing up, any kid growing up during the 80s knew the movie off by heart. I like the second Karate Kid a lot as well.

But to be honest it's not exactly a sacred cow. It was the butt end of jokes in movies like "There's Something About Mary". The Godfather it ain't, though I can appreciate your love for the movie.

There's nothing the prevents "pop entertainment" movies from having good themes and a solid storyline. Pop entertainment when well done ... there's nothing wrong with that. A cheeseburger isn't a steak, but sometimes you just want a good cheeseburger.

But again Karate Kid III and The Next Karate Kid already embarrassed the "franchise", I'm not sure why there's so much concern that this new movie would come along and sully that. What I don't think they can do is I don't they can "remake" the mix of pop culture nuances, romance, soundtrack, etc. the original had. I think Pat Morita obviously is irreplaceable. That movie does have timeless themes sure, but it's very much a product of the 80s (in a good way).

If anything though this "remake" would likely get kids to go back and watch the originals on DVD, especially if they do give Ralph Macchio some kind of role.

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Posted November 13 2008 - 10:07 PM

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If anything though this "remake" would likely get kids to go back and watch the originals on DVD,

Isn't it sad that that's what it takes, though?

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Posted November 13 2008 - 10:10 PM

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Isn't it sad that that's what it takes, though?

Well yes and no. I'm sure older generations probably would look at us as kids and shake their heads at us watching "The Karate Kid" and not appreciating classics from 20-30 years prior, lol.

Though I do think the movies probably have some kind of following with younger kids, I see them on TV all the time.

The one remake I sort of dread but I sense is inevitable is "Back to the Future". I guess the fun thing they could do is set the story in modern day and have the characters time travel back to 1985.

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Posted November 13 2008 - 10:47 PM

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If anything though this "remake" would likely get kids to go back and watch the originals on DVD, especially if they do give Ralph Macchio some kind of role.

That's actually my point, if someone has grown up with the film then he or she probably owns it on DVD and it shouldn't take a remake to twist their arm to show it to their kids, they should already be eager to do so when the child is old enough to understand the films themes.

I know that if I were a parent i'd be counting the days until I could show them my favorite films growing up, not allow some needless remake to give me the greenlight or the idea. It's actually just common sense, you love a film, you own it, your eager to share it with others, it's what every film fan does.

On another note, The Exorcist (BTW I *DARE* someone to try to remake that!) was also the butt of many jokes in films, hell entire parody films, most notably Repossessed starring Linda Blair, have been made about it but it still has the power to scare the living piss out of me lol.
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Posted November 14 2008 - 12:12 AM

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No it's called doing something new. Do you really want a scene for scene remake like PSYCHO or THE OMEN? Or would you rather it try something new like the other 99% of remakes out there? Of course they're going to tie it to another movie because of how much money these things make. Did you see how much PROM NIGHT made on its opening weekend? It was downright horrid but people lined up for it. Remaking THE KARATE KID with Will Smith's name tied to it would draw big crowds. Fans have to accept the facts that we're living in the past on these movies and the majority of moviegoers (ala teenagers) don't give a rats ass about some movie made 20+ years ago. They want some new and that's why they constantly throw down $20 to see it. You throw PROM NIGHT out there and it opens to some $30 million. You throw the original out there and it wouldn't make $30,000.

Just because you and I love this film just means that there are a few more million out there who don't care a lick about it. I don't do predictions on these things but this has blockbuster written all over it. Blockbuster is the key in Hollywood.

And before we get too off topic, THE KARATE KID was nothing more than Akira Kurosawa's SANSHIRO SUGATA made over with a touch of ROCKY. It was certainly far from being original. Since people are going to boycott this film then they could just go back and watch what influenced it so much.

Dink, dink, dink! Is anyone there? Mike has summed up thoughts on TKK perfectly as far as I am concerned. Why is everyone commenting on a movie that's not even marketed to you.

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Posted November 14 2008 - 12:23 AM

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Dink, dink, dink! Is anyone there? Mike has summed up thoughts on TKK perfectly as far as I am concerned. Why is everyone commenting on a movie that's not even marketed to you.

Because some of us think it's a bad idea and we're voicing our displeasure.

Let us do so.
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Posted November 14 2008 - 12:29 AM

And because some of us are sick and tired of there being so many of these needless remakes, which continue to come and are only going to continue, the more we excuse them*

*Yes, and this is coming from the same guy who intends to see FRIDAY THE 13TH PART 11 Posted Image

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Posted November 14 2008 - 12:34 AM

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*Yes, and this is coming from the same guy who intends to see FRIDAY THE 13TH PART 11 Posted Image

Me too hehe. I mean come on, Jason looking like a mutant back-woods redneck freak again and on top of that he RUNS!

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Posted November 14 2008 - 12:45 AM

Right! With the F13 series, it's just a guy in a hockey mask offing dumb kids. I don't care what they call the movie or do to it, as long as that's what's going on.

The F13 series, much as I like it, is a great case where the first "line" of films is finished. There is nowhere else to go. I think the series ended perfectly with JASON X (I feel FREDDY VS JASON occurs netween JASON GOES TO HELL and JASON X) , and where Jason winds up. A perfect solution. I'm ready for a reboot of sorts here, but this is only one in a zillion cases where I think it's a good idea.

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Posted November 14 2008 - 12:53 AM

I agree, Joe.

I also agree with you about where 'FvsJ' falls in the series, I have them in order that way on my shelf. As far as i'm concerned it's more a 'Friday' film than a 'Nightmare' film.

But anyway, The Karate Kid...
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Posted November 14 2008 - 01:47 AM

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A remake of THE KARATE KID. Oh, come on.

These unoriginal ideas get more dopey every day.

Well...It gets worse....

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