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MGM; Please release the rest of your horror library


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#1 of 33 OFFLINE   cineMANIAC

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Posted November 01 2008 - 10:09 AM

Halloween comes once a year-why release horror movies around this time only??
My collection is nearly complete but where the heck are The Stepfather and Death Ship? How about special editions of Motel Hell, Scanners, Miracle Mile, Audrey Rose.... I consider anything the studios release from this point on as non-essential because I own copies of just about every movie I care for. But some of these movies remain frustratingly elusive for some reason. Why does everything have to be a tie-in to a remake? I dont understand
 

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#2 of 33 OFFLINE   walter o

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Posted November 01 2008 - 04:14 PM

FYI MGM does not hold the rights to DEATHSHIP nor STEPFATHER.

#3 of 33 OFFLINE   AlanBrom

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Posted November 01 2008 - 05:00 PM

MGM must release: Quatermass Xperiment, Hands of the Ripper, Twins of Evil, Vampire Circus, Master of the World, Burn Witch Burn, The Devil Within Her, Cauldron of Blood, The Crimson Cult, Black Sabbath (AIP Version), The Incredible Melting Man, Dr. Blood's Coffin, Horror House, Blood Bath, The House That Dreaded Sundown, Without Warning, The Time Travelers, Queen of Blood, Octa-Man, Grave of the Vampire, Space Monster, Old Dracula, Blood and Lace, House of 1000 Dolls, The Brain that Wouldn't Die, The Evictors, The Black Sleep, Curse of the Faceless Man, Pharoah's Curse, Crucible of Horror, Cauldron of Blood, The Blood on Satan's Claw, Daughters of Satan, Sugar Hill, Dr. Goldfoot and the Girl Bombs, The House of Long Shadows and others.

I still don't understand why major studios only release horror films on DVD for Halloween promotions. But MGM didn't even give us much this Halloween.

And please, no posts about how some of these are available as foreign DVDs. I'm talking about MGM stepping up and releasing their superior transfers for Region 1 buyers. Write to Julia.Simmons@fox.com

#4 of 33 OFFLINE   Jeffrey:K

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Posted November 02 2008 - 06:10 AM

Has MGM released any catalog titles since that big batch last May? They seem to have scaled back considerably, if not implemented a full moratorium. Perhaps they're waiting for their distribution deal with Fox to run out.

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Posted November 02 2008 - 09:46 AM

I would definitely like to see The Town That Dreaded Sundown, To All A Goodnight, and Hospital Massacre get an R1 DVD release.

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Posted November 03 2008 - 04:18 AM

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MGM must release: Quatermass Xperiment, Hands of the Ripper, Twins of Evil, Vampire Circus, Master of the World, Burn Witch Burn, The Devil Within Her, Cauldron of Blood, The Crimson Cult, Black Sabbath (AIP Version), The Incredible Melting Man, Dr. Blood's Coffin, Horror House, Blood Bath, The House That Dreaded Sundown, Without Warning, The Time Travelers, Queen of Blood, Octa-Man, Grave of the Vampire, Space Monster, Old Dracula, Blood and Lace, House of 1000 Dolls, The Brain that Wouldn't Die, The Evictors, The Black Sleep, Curse of the Faceless Man, Pharoah's Curse, Crucible of Horror, Cauldron of Blood, The Blood on Satan's Claw, Daughters of Satan, Sugar Hill, Dr. Goldfoot and the Girl Bombs, The House of Long Shadows and others.

I still don't understand why major studios only release horror films on DVD for Halloween promotions. But MGM didn't even give us much this Halloween.

And please, no posts about how some of these are available as foreign DVDs. I'm talking about MGM stepping up and releasing their superior transfers for Region 1 buyers. Write to Julia.Simmons@fox.com


I second everything you said, Alan...

As a matter of fact, I was watching the recent Sony Icons of Horror/Hammer release last night and thinking what a nice package of four pretty good old-school horror films. And all of this from Sony, no less - not exactly the best studio typically when it comes to releasing such product.

A pity about MGM lately - they used to proudly hold the mantle for just that type of release.

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Posted November 04 2008 - 02:26 AM

MGM owns the Avco/Embassy library so they hold the rights to The Stepfather and Death Ship as they were both distributed by Embassy. Dont get me wrong, I love MGM; I have dozens of their cult titles and they're all wonderful but the company is inconsistent and that drives me nuts. Also, there is no excuse for releasing anything in full-screen only these days. Miracle Mile is IMO the best end of the world movie ever made and there it is in fullscreen. Note to MGM: We watch horror movies throughout the year, not just on Halloween
 

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Posted November 04 2008 - 02:32 AM

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Note to MGM: We watch horror movies throughout the year, not just on Halloween

Damn right!

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Posted November 04 2008 - 07:14 AM

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MGM owns the Avco/Embassy library so they hold the rights to The Stepfather and Death Ship as they were both distributed by Embassy.
Actually Studio Canal owns the Avco/Embassy library. MGM currently has the TV and video rights to a select handful of Embassy titles (such as The Graduate, The Onion Field, etc.) but the films themselves are owned by Studio Canal.

Avco Embassy distributed a number of films between 1975 and 1981 that are no longer part of its library. These include ITC titles (The Domino Principle, Russian Roulette, Man Friday, etc.) that have since reverted back to ITC, as well as a number of indie pickups (Phantasm, The Premonition, The Exterminator) that are now controlled by other parties.

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Posted November 04 2008 - 10:48 AM

The Stepfather films (yes, there are 3) are all controlled by ITC, which means there are several possibilities:
1. Lionsgate holds the rights as they do with other ITC titles (The Last Unicorn, On Golden Pond, etc.);
2. The Stepfather films may have been acquired by Universal in the same deal that netted them The Return of the Pink Panther; and
3. There may be a remake coming, according to IMDb, which may sort out where the video rights lie.
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#11 of 33 OFFLINE   cineMANIAC

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Posted November 05 2008 - 10:20 AM

Is there a database or website that lists films owned by individual companies? I know Studio Canal is a french conglomerate and that they swallowed up a bunch of indie distributors and took along those distributors' libraries with it. Anchor Bay released Superstition, a horror film made in 1982 produced by Andy Vajna, the guy behind Carolco, now owned by Lionsgate. So how did Anchor Bay end up with it? They also released The Manitou, an Avco title. Anybody couldve released those, including MGM. If I just knew who owns what I would know who to email.
 

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Posted November 05 2008 - 01:35 PM

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Is there a database or website that lists films owned by individual companies? I know Studio Canal is a french conglomerate and that they swallowed up a bunch of indie distributors and took along those distributors' libraries with it. Anchor Bay released Superstition, a horror film made in 1982 produced by Andy Vajna, the guy behind Carolco, now owned by Lionsgate. So how did Anchor Bay end up with it? They also released The Manitou, an Avco title. Anybody couldve released those, including MGM. If I just knew who owns what I would know who to email.

No database, but here is a way to suss it all out.

MGM initially inherited home video rights to the Embassy library because their home video arm was spun into a separate production company (Nelson) whose assets MGM bought. At first, this gave them everything, but then they and Canal+ didn't like the arrangement any more, so they cancelled it. The "divorce," as it were, gives MGM the DVD rights to any Embassy film that they had previously released on VHS, and no more than that. That's how they continue to handle THIS IS SPINAL TAP, ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK, THE SURE THING, etc.

StudioCanal then takes the Embassy titles to Anchor Bay, with whom they already had a deal in place for the DEG and EMI libraries, some Salkind productions, and other miscellany in their vault, such as SUPERSTITION. That deal expired last year, but some contracts are still valid, so Anchor Bay can do reissues on those titles (like WINTER KILLS) until those rights expire.

What's happened now is Canal+ is making Lionsgate their primary label for everything they own - Embassy, EMI, DEG, the works. Lionsgate already had rights to the popular Carolco titles, since the former Artisan Entertainment had been an equity investor in those movies. The arrangement is a service deal, in that Canal+ prepares the entire DVD themselves - transfer, supplements, etc - and then hands over the finished work to Lionsgate to release, which explains the eclectic catalog material that has been forthcoming from their end that stands in contrast to the normally reticent stance on catalog titles Lionsgate has. Occasionally, Canal+ will still take movies elsewhere, such as the Criterion Collection, so they are free to take a movie anywhere they want, or maybe reup with somebody like Anchor Bay if they want a title bad enough (I suspect EVIL DEAD 2 will stay with them rather than go to LG).

But in conclusion, yeah, any future Embassy requests should first be addressed to Lionsgate.
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Posted November 05 2008 - 08:15 PM

For your info, here are some Avco Embassy titles no longer controlled by Canal+

HUMONGOUS
DEATH SHIP
CITY ON FIRE
STINGRAY
SCALPEL
BALTIMORE BULLET
PSYCHIC KILLER
THE PREMONITION
DIRTY TRICKS
GO TELL THE SPARTANS
DEAD AND BURIED
PROM NIGHT
HOG WILD
SCANNERS
PHANTASM
THE EXTERMINATOR
BORN AGAIN
IN PRAISE OF OLDER WOMEN
DIFFERENT STORY
SHOOT
DEADLY HERO
SAILOR WHO FELL FROM GRACE WITH SEA
PAPER TIGER
NIGHT WATCH
RIVALS
PLACE CALLED TODAY
HOT PANTS HOLIDAY
SIDEWINDER ONE
TAMARIND SEED

to name a few

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Posted November 07 2008 - 02:00 PM

Question:

Due to it being "presented" by Joseph E. Levine (deceased), who is normally associated with Embassy product, is SANDS OF THE KALAHARI (1965, released to U.S. theaters by Paramount, U.S. TV distribution by Columbia, during its "Coca Cola" era) --which has never seen official release on any home video format anywhere in the world-- now considered an Embassy title, controlled by Canal+, thus a potential future Lionsgate release in R1?

My guess is that it's either with Canal+ or Sony, but I've never been able to figure this out for certain. A great, under-seen color/widescreen adventure film, reuniting the star and director of ZULU (1964), Stanley Baker and Cy Endfield, plus Stuart Whitman, Susannah York, Theodore Bikel, Gordon Jackson and Nigel Davenport.

With A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH coming out in R1 in January, SANDS OF THE KALAHARI is now my most-wanted unreleased-in-R1 (or anywhere else) film.

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Wanted in R1: UNEARTHLY STRANGER ('63) / IF I HAD A MILLION ('32) / THE FACE BEHIND THE MASK ('41) / IT CONQUERED THE WORLD ('56) / TERROR ABOARD ('33) / DANGER ROUTE ('68) / THE BLISS OF MRS. BLOSSOM ('68) / GUNN ('67) / ZOO IN BUDAPEST ('33) / THE SEA WOLF ('41) / DAY OF THE TRIFFIDS ('63, restored) / ALAKAZAM THE GREAT ('60) / DARKER THAN AMBER ('70) / THEY WON'T BELIEVE ME ('47) / CROSSWINDS ('51) / JIVARO ('54)

Wanted TV-on-DVD: T.H.E. CAT (1966-67) / SUSPICION (1957-58) / WAY OUT (1961) / ALFRED HITCHCOCK HOUR (1962-65) / PANIC! (1957-58) / CORONET BLUE (1965) / DRAGNET ('50s) / NEW ADVENTURES OF HUCK FINN (1968) / BUS STOP (1961-62) / THE WESTERNER (1960) / THE IMMORTAL (1970) / BLUE LIGHT (1966) / TERRIERS (2010) / THE MAN WHO NEVER WAS (1966)


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Posted November 18 2008 - 07:21 AM

Add NOTHING BUT THE NIGHT (Cushing/Lee) to the list.

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Posted November 19 2008 - 06:13 AM

This isn't a horror movie but Lionsgate released The Manhattan Project on DVD not too long ago, an MGM title, after MGM themselves released it. This film was produced by Gladden Entertainment - anyone know what other titles they were involved in?
 

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Posted June 01 2009 - 05:21 PM

Whats really annoying is Ive seen some of the titles listed in Alans post on MonstersHD, with very nice PQ.

What I remember from that list, I know I watched Blood on Satans Claw and Twins Of Evil quite a few times. Ive seen some other oldies vampire flicks on there I wasnt too familiar with when I saw them- so I wouldnt be suprised if Ive seen some of those others as well.

Kind of ridiculous that a decent version of Twin OF Evil isnt available.
These should be not only on standard DVD, but Bluray as well!

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Posted June 01 2009 - 07:58 PM

Studio Canal+ seem to be good guys-several R2 catalog titles they took over either quietly became anamorphic, were cleaned up, or both. They seem to snatch the good indie-or cult titles
Their opening logos are always rather odd
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Posted June 01 2009 - 08:13 PM

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Studio Canal+ seem to be good guys

When they're good, they can be very, very good, but when they're bad they are truly awful. There's a lack of consistency.

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Their opening logos are always rather odd

They're very French. And annoying.
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Posted June 02 2009 - 04:32 PM

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This isn't a horror movie but Lionsgate released The Manhattan Project on DVD not too long ago, an MGM title, after MGM themselves released it. This film was produced by Gladden Entertainment - anyone know what other titles they were involved in?

It's conjecture, and a little messy, but here's my reasoning.

Gladden Entertainment was founded by David Begelman out of the ashes of a previous company called Sherwood Productions, both of which had theatrical deals with 20th Century Fox. Gladden made an initial homevideo deal with (and possibly received some production money from) Thorn EMI - the first VHS release of THE MANHATTAN PROJECT was on their label.

Shortly afterward, Thorn EMI agreed to merge with Cannon, and that lasted about six months. During that time, Cannon took over EMI's U.S. label, which was a co-venture with HBO, and at the same time assumed a stake in some Gladden productions, resulting in some strange splits. MANNEQUIN, for example, instead of getting a VHS release through "HBO/Cannon", was funneled to Media, because Cannon had signed an output deal with them before merging with EMI. Six months later, though, Cannon was in debt, and they sold off the EMI library (though they kept a few of their newest titles like DREAMCHILD and MORONS FROM OUTER SPACE), and gave up their stake in the HBO label. The EMI library ultimately wound up at StudioCanal. Cannon also likely gave up their stake in any future Gladden projects.

Gladden, meanwhile, borrowed money from the Belgian bank Credit Lyonnais, the same bank that literally dozens of indie production outfits borrowed from, and all of whom ultimately defaulted to when they went out of business. Those films, called the Epic package, were sold to Polygram, then when Universal bought Polygram, those films along with Polygram's pre-'96 films, were sold to MGM.

Confused yet?

So, in all likelihood, MGM got some ownership stake in THE MANHATTAN PROJECT, since they inherited the movie in the Polygram buy. However, StudioCanal likely still also owned part of the movie from EMI's equity stake before the Cannon merger. So the lawyers must have hashed out a deal where MGM got to put the movie on DVD first, and then the rights would revert to StudioCanal and they in turn did their expanded release with Lionsgate.

Yeah, I sometimes have a hard time keeping this straight too. :/
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