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GOLDFINGER : will 'missing frames' issue be fixed for blu-ray?!


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#1 of 75 OFFLINE   MielR

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Posted October 19 2008 - 05:38 PM

Now that all the Bond films are coming out on blu-ray (and apparently some color-timing mistakes being fixed as well), I'm wondering if they're going to fix one of the few, but nevertheless glaring mistakes from their Goldfinger transfer- namely, the missing frames at the 1:17:10 mark right after oddjob deliberately misses the turn to the airport.

It has been determined that the frames are only missing on the DVD releases of the film, NOT on older LD (such as the Criterion) and VHS releases.

It's an obvious jump-cut and if it's noticeable in SD, it's going to be even more noticeable in HD on a huge screen.

Will they bother to go back and fix this for the blu-ray release? It will require more work than just adjusting the color from the existing scan since they would have to retrieve the missing frames from another print/master, and I'm curious as to whether or not they're willing to go to the trouble........
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Posted October 21 2008 - 12:04 AM

You might ask at this point whether it is coming out any time soon, period. I asked this when Dr. No, From Russia With Love and Thunderball were first announced as I thought it very poor that this title was conspicuously missing and no one had anything to add. There has been no announcement that I've heard to date. So, I wouldn't hold my breath friend. One can only hope, maybe, 2009?

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Posted October 21 2008 - 01:00 AM

I am wondering whether the huge color problem with the title
sequence of "Live and Let Die" will be corrected. Something
tells me no.

 

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#4 of 75 OFFLINE   Paul Arnette

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Posted October 21 2008 - 02:02 AM

According to this post, the color has been corrected:

http://www.hometheat...657-post30.html

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Posted October 21 2008 - 02:11 AM

I'll wager Goldfinger comes out when the current Bond movie is released on BD this spring. I'll also wager that the missing frames are gone for good from home video. Not that they couldn't be fixed, just that they won't be.

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Posted October 21 2008 - 03:24 AM

Quote:
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You might ask at this point whether it is coming out any time soon, period. I asked this when Dr. No, From Russia With Love and Thunderball were first announced as I thought it very poor that this title was conspicuously missing and no one had anything to add. There has been no announcement that I've heard to date. So, I wouldn't hold my breath friend. One can only hope, maybe, 2009?
I'd think they'd definitely release another batch of films to coincide with Quantum of Solace's DVD release. They still have 14 titles to go. 3 more Connerys, 5 mo(o)re Moores, the only Lazenby, both Daltons, and 3 other Brosnans. They're currently going at a rate of 6 titles per release. That may need to be shaken up.

Since Goldfinger is one of the more popular titles, would it be a safe bet that it'll be released with some of the less popular films (OHMSS? The Daltons? The bad Moore films?)?
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Posted October 21 2008 - 06:32 AM

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They're currently going at a rate of 6 titles per release. That may need to be shaken up.

Not "stirred"! ;-)

"Goldfinger" is my fave.
Remember going to see it at the theater w/my dad, back-in-the-day.

Thought the last SD DVD release looked & sounded (DTS) pretty good.
Solid enough presentation too bring back fond memories.

If it can be improved upon...
GREAT!!!

(already traded it in; in anticipation of this HD release)
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Posted October 21 2008 - 09:57 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
I am wondering whether the huge color problem with the title
sequence of "Live and Let Die" will be corrected. Something
tells me no.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Arnette
According to this post, the color has been corrected:

http://www.hometheat...657-post30.html
Yes, and that's why I'm wondering if they're going to fix the GOLDFINGER jump-cut mistake, too.

Up until I found out that they were correcting some of the color issues on the other titles, I figured they were just porting the UE transfers over to the blu-ray discs as-is.

The fact that they're making some color corrections is good news- but I guess we'll see if they'll bother correcting other mistakes.

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Posted October 21 2008 - 10:11 AM

I think they are taking some trouble over these releases. I watched the "Inside Live And Let Die" doco last night and the whole programme has been rebuilt from the ground up with all the non-interview material (clips and stills) redone in HD and the interviews very pleasingly windowboxed to 16:9. If they're doing that with the extras, they're bound to be correcting any problems in the films themselves.
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Posted October 22 2008 - 11:40 AM

Since this is the umpteenth time they've asked us too buy these titles...
they better be better than EVER!
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Posted October 23 2008 - 03:28 AM

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Since this is the umpteenth time they've asked us too buy these titles...
they better be better than EVER!

They are better than ever - when they actually work!

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Posted October 26 2008 - 09:20 PM

I'm sure the team led by John Cork is looking into it, hence why the movie wasn't in the first batch.

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Posted October 27 2008 - 02:56 AM

Are there missing frames in Dr. No? I thought I saw Bond "twitch" in the scene where he's inspecting Strangways' cottage. I rewound and it repeated the same "twitch." I wondered if this had always been there and I've just not noticed it before. I seem to recall that it did it again during another scene, but don't recall where exactly.

I would think it was a missing frame since his head moves but one of the transition frames of that movement is missing resulting in a "twitch."
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Posted October 27 2008 - 03:03 AM

It seems a few James Bond movies are missing frames...

FRWL missing some frames in the last scene when Bond is looking at the film before he ditches it in the water...

Thunderball is missing some frames before Bond jumps in the water with the souped up scuba gear, stating "and the kitchen sink"...

And apparently Goldfinger as stated in this thread. The last one I can check out as I do still have the Criterion LD. Just have to remember when I get home.

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Posted October 27 2008 - 03:49 AM

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It seems a few James Bond movies are missing frames...

Have those titles always been missing those frames in their various video incarnations though?

In the restoring Bond docu they talk about MGM having the final say as to if things are to be corrected (a scene in Man with the Golden Gun where you can see the camera crew in a mirror is the example poised, don't know if they digitally altered it or not) perhaps they didn't want this stuff fixed. I wouldn't know why not as it has been done in other films with such "damage." I don't think that most people would complain if they electronically fixed the missing frames.
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Posted October 27 2008 - 05:31 AM

Some of those missing frames were editing techniques used by the original filmakers as a way of speeding up the action. The From Russia with Love cut was a last minute edit for the censors. Goldfinger's car scene is a true missing frame case in which some torn frames were removed when the first DVDs came out in the late 1990s. Those frames could be repaired and re-inserted...

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Posted October 27 2008 - 08:22 AM

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Are there missing frames in Dr. No? I thought I saw Bond "twitch" in the scene where he's inspecting Strangways' cottage. I rewound and it repeated the same "twitch." I wondered if this had always been there and I've just not noticed it before. I seem to recall that it did it again during another scene, but don't recall where exactly.

I would think it was a missing frame since his head moves but one of the transition frames of that movement is missing resulting in a "twitch."
That is a deliberate creative decision made in 1962 to speed the scene along.

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Posted October 27 2008 - 10:36 AM

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Yes, and that's why I'm wondering if they're going to fix the GOLDFINGER jump-cut mistake, too.

Up until I found out that they were correcting some of the color issues on the other titles, I figured they were just porting the UE transfers over to the blu-ray discs as-is.

The fact that they're making some color corrections is good news- but I guess we'll see if they'll bother correcting other mistakes.

Making sure they're aware of it (and that we're aware of it) can't hurt, in any case. Posted Image

Do we have CONFIRMATION that some of these Ultimate Edition issues have been fixed on the blu-rays (i.e. the title sequence of "Live And Let Die") ?
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Posted October 27 2008 - 03:23 PM

I would've loved to have seen the last bit from FRWL restored. It's a very annoying an jerky cut. I don't know the details (or rather, I can't remember them) but I assume that the footage is lost forever?
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Posted October 27 2008 - 03:31 PM

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I would've loved to have seen the last bit from FRWL restored. It's a very annoying an jerky cut. I don't know the details (or rather, I can't remember them) but I assume that the footage is lost forever?

Bond said something- or alluded to something- too risque for the censors, supposedly. Who knows if the footage still exists- it might, but it doesn't seem like anyone is looking too hard for it.


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Have those titles always been missing those frames in their various video incarnations though?

In the restoring Bond docu they talk about MGM having the final say as to if things are to be corrected (a scene in Man with the Golden Gun where you can see the camera crew in a mirror is the example poised, don't know if they digitally altered it or not) perhaps they didn't want this stuff fixed. I wouldn't know why not as it has been done in other films with such "damage." I don't think that most people would complain if they electronically fixed the missing frames.


GOLDFINGER is a totally different issue, though. There were some damaged frames that were just cut out of the print and nobody bothered to repair it for the "ultimate" edition. A cameraperson in a mirror is true to the original production. It's not a defect of the source material, like in the case of Goldfinger, and previous home video releases had no such problem. I have the Criterion LD and the frames are NOT missing.

What I don't understand is how the missing frames from the 1st DVD release, ended up marring the Lowry UE disc as well?
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